[John V.]

Originally Posted by johnta1

I added the dealer.



B-man, Can the numbers next to the left of the 'Car Services' be discerned?
(zone and dealer number for it)

It would probably be 24 and possibly a 9xx?

John, I was doubting the possibility of this being a Zone storage location.

Not sure what exists at the Van Norman address today.

Doesn't seem to be any nos. typed into the Ship To boxes which include boxes labeled TAG, ZONE, and DEALER.

These boxes just to the left of the word PONTIAC which was preprinted as part of the form itself and which you can faintly make out.

If Bart can detect any nos. typed in those boxes would be great but I think they are blank.

Then I spotted this at the Ultimate GTO Dealer Zone list.

20-991, Pontiac Motor Division, 329 Van Norman Rd., Montebello, CA.

No way can a location in Montebello (adjacent to East L.A.) be part of the Oklahoma City Zone, can it? But this was reported from a record for a '69 Judge.

In 2000, it looks like a company called Pacific Western Warehousing & Distribution, LLC occupied the 329 Van Norman location to unload rail cars delivering steel from mills, they then delivered the product by truck as needed to local accounts.

I'm betting this was a rail yard in 1964 too and Car Service, Inc. was used to receive cars for various dealers by rail and then delivered them by truck to the dealer facility.

Probably was more economical to ship by rail from Fremont to the rail yard and then local truck to the dealer.

In this case, no dealer code would have been assigned to this company, they were just a freight handler.

Chieftain Pontiac would have instructed PMD to ship to this location by rail and then they would have arranged the delivery from the rail yard to the dealership directly with Car Service, Inc.

That's my take. How this Montebello location was involved with that '69 Judge is beyond me.

Unlike '69, I have not seen evidence that PMD built and shipped cars for Zone Stock inventory for later sale to a Dealer in '64.

The 99x codes that do pop up seem more likely to have been associated with Co. Cars for Zone executives. These show the Zone address as the Sold To.

Okay, so while looking for a record to confirm this, I find a "smoking gun".


I have ANOTHER '64 Fremont doc, Charge To is Majestic Pontiac in Los Angeles.

Lists the SAME Ship To address as Bart's at 329 Van Norman in Montebello but instead of calling it Car Service, Inc., it shows Majestic Pontiac, Inc.

No separate Ship To dealer code listed either.

Majestic was NOT the owner of this facility, I am 99% certain.

Instead, Majestic Pontiac, like Chieftain Pontiac, used it for the rail yard terminus for cars they bought from PMD and had shipped in by rail. Car Service, Inc. then truck transported them to the dealer lot after breaking down the rail car delivery.

All to save some on the shipping cost I'm sure.