[twinturrbo406]

Originally Posted by PAUL K

I think you may be confused, as I am with your statement?

There is more than one guy posting in this thread that has not run faster than low ten's in their car also there are guys here posting that have never raced a car down the track. What does that have to do with cylinder head work? Or "out of context "?

... simple, because when we (CV-1 Guys) meet a goal, we relay this information on the forum, and many so called experts or racers words gets rammed in that dark place, and before you know it all those racer type comments start popping up, like what have i driven, how fast have i gone down the track etc. , it's like they think it's a right of passage or some BS, but my development work has been challenged from day one, and development is a process, meaning it takes time ...

... the level of work that I've accomplished at my job for example, is very high end, meaning my port development has made well over 2000hp N/A, but yet my work gets questioned by plumbers ??? ...

... I'm a cylinder head guy, that's what's relative so when Jack and his left nut start making retarded statements like 150hp more than my CVwhat heads on Fulton's engine, or the chamber is f'd up or the head isn't properly designed, does anyone here start asking them about what cylinder heads they've developed, or how much power are they responsible for concerning their cylinder head work ??? ...

... well, no, they don't do they ??? ...

... what is relative, is, i want to know what ALL of you non-believers will say IF Fulton hands Jack his ass ??? ...

[JSPONT]

Originally Posted by Hooter

Larry Quinn's been running 8's for years pulling monster wheel stands with his 62 Catalina. Plenty of YouTube videos if that's what you're looking for.

That is an awsome car watched it many times! The cars the are going back and forth on this thread are 7 second cars, well 1 is so far. Hope we will see the other soon.

[JSPONT]

Originally Posted by twinturrbo406

... simple, because when we (CV-1 Guys) meet a goal, we relay this information on the forum, and many so called experts or racers words gets rammed in that dark place, and before you know it all those racer type comments start popping up, like what have i driven, how fast have i gone down the track etc. , it's like they think it's a right of passage or some BS, but my development work has been challenged from day one, and development is a process, meaning it takes time ...

... the level of work that I've accomplished at my job for example, is very high end, meaning my port development has made well over 2000hp N/A, but yet my work gets questioned by plumbers ??? ...

... I'm a cylinder head guy, that's what's relative so when Jack and his left nut start making retarded statements like 150hp more than my CVwhat heads on Fulton's engine, or the chamber is f'd up or the head isn't properly designed, does anyone here start asking them about what cylinder heads they've developed, or how much power are they responsible for concerning their cylinder head work ??? ...

... well, no, they don't do they ??? ...

... what is relative, is, i want to know what ALL of you non-believers will say IF Fulton hands Jack his ass ??? ...

I will say great job!! You proved your point. That is the point I think. Have a fast proven CV-1 car. I will then ask how much would that head cost? If I ever come into $$ or hit the lotto I might buy a set. A small time guy like me on a real tight budget would love to be able to have a great flowing big power making head. I like readinf and learning about all the choices out there. By no means am I questioning your head porting/building abilities. I think you should laugh it off and let Fultons car talk for you at Norwalk. Like I said no dog in this fight, love watching it though. I'm renting the UFC fights tonight, I would not want to get in the ring with some of those big boys, still like watching though!!!

[twinturrbo406]

Originally Posted by JSPONT

I will say great job!! You proved your point. That is the point I think. Have a fast proven CV-1 car. I will then ask how much would that head cost? If I ever come into $$ or hit the lotto I might buy a set. A small time guy like me on a real tight budget would love to be able to have a great flowing big power making head. I like readinf and learning about all the choices out there. By no means am I questioning your head porting/building abilities. I think you should laugh it off and let Fultons car talk for you at Norwalk. Like I said no dog in this fight, love watching it though. I'm renting the UFC fights tonight, I would not want to get in the ring with some of those big boys, still like watching though!!!

... i do respect people's opinions JS, but trust me when i tell you it's very different when your livelihood is under attack, especially for 4-5 years worth, i think anyone would be 100% ready for war if they found themselves in a situation as retarded as this one ...

[PAUL K]

Originally Posted by twinturrbo406

... simple, because when we (CV-1 Guys) meet a goal, we relay this information on the forum, and many so called experts or racers words gets rammed in that dark place, and before you know it all those racer type comments start popping up, like what have i driven, how fast have i gone down the track etc. , it's like they think it's a right of passage or some BS, but my development work has been challenged from day one, and development is a process, meaning it takes time ...

... the level of work that I've accomplished at my job for example, is very high end, meaning my port development has made well over 2000hp N/A, but yet my work gets questioned by plumbers ??? ...

... I'm a cylinder head guy, that's what's relative so when Jack and his left nut start making retarded statements like 150hp more than my CVwhat heads on Fulton's engine, or the chamber is f'd up or the head isn't properly designed, does anyone here start asking them about what cylinder heads they've developed, or how much power are they responsible for concerning their cylinder head work ??? ...

... well, no, they don't do they ??? ...

... what is relative, is, i want to know what ALL of you non-believers will say IF Fulton hands Jack his ass ??? ...

I'm still not making the connection to going down a race track or running faster than low ten's.

Are you referring to me in the "all of you non-believers" comment?

[65nss4spdGTO]

Originally Posted by JSPONT

Total street car Pontiac Powered, no cage full interior(3750 + may fat ass) tko 600 drive it anywhere on a budget 1/24 th of all these cars you are talkinging about. Stock kre dports a low ten right know, looking to go in the 9's by the fall.

I'm guessing a low 10 second ride with d-ports would require you to juice that car? At 3750+ lbs, your engine would need to be making over 750 HP if it's NA, a big task for a small port headed engine on street style compression.

Robin Roberts ran low 8's ET, went as fast as 174 MPH trying to get the car to hook with CV-1 heads over two years ago.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ko9NSTPKX44

Dick Fulton has run will into the 7's, not just ONE TIME, his CV-1 engine is making a bunch more power over his old E-headed combo that ran in the 7's, he will be faster.

Calvin Hill
Hill Performance
708-250-7420

[twinturrbo406]

Originally Posted by JSPONT

I will say great job!! You proved your point. That is the point I think. Have a fast proven CV-1 car. I will then ask how much would that head cost? If I ever come into $$ or hit the lotto I might buy a set. A small time guy like me on a real tight budget would love to be able to have a great flowing big power making head. I like readinf and learning about all the choices out there. By no means am I questioning your head porting/building abilities. I think you should laugh it off and let Fultons car talk for you at Norwalk. Like I said no dog in this fight, love watching it though. I'm renting the UFC fights tonight, I would not want to get in the ring with some of those big boys, still like watching though!!!

... i believe i made a post with a break down of what Fulton's CV-1's cost, I'll go back and double check ...

[twinturrbo406]

Originally Posted by PAUL K

I'm still not making the connection to going down a race track or running faster than low ten's.

Are you referring to me in the "all of you non-believers" comment?

(1st question ) ... that's my point, neither do i, CV-1's have been close to mid 8's N/A with Calvin's Fusion heads on 484c.i's and as fast as 176mph on a 535c.i N20 combo in Robin's T/A, and Fulton's car should provide a lot of insight as to where we stand with my work, simply asking what we've (CV-1's) done max effort N/A before even an engine like Fulton's N20 combo has been built & raced is a bit preemptive don't you think ? ...

(2nd question) ... if you're not a non-believer then certainly not, but if you are then yes ...

[7T2]

Originally Posted by LiL Jack

At least Tom Vaught and I have accomplished something.

yes of course!!
you both received the most votes from the users of this forum in the 'Egomaniac' poll

[7T2]

Originally Posted by Hooter

Larry Quinn's been running 8's for years pulling monster wheel stands with his 62 Catalina. Plenty of YouTube videos if that's what you're looking for.

larry is a great guy- anybody that doesn't know him should take the time to introduce at Norwalk (just plan on an hour to kill- lol)

but his '62 cat is an exhibition car, comparing it to a refined, max effort n/a car is hilarious... but that's the internet

[PAUL K]

Originally Posted by PAUL K

Since you have run low ten's you are faster than a lot of guys making posts in this thread. In fact, if you made it down the track you are doing better than a some of them!

Originally Posted by twinturrbo406

... really ??? ... by the way that reads this man has what it takes to do high end development work on cylinder heads ?? ...

... could you be anymore out of context with a statement like that ?? ...

Originally Posted by PAUL K

I think you may be confused, as I am with your statement?

There is more than one guy posting in this thread that has not run faster than low ten's in their car also there are guys here posting that have never raced a car down the track. What does that have to do with cylinder head work? Or "out of context "?

Originally Posted by twinturrbo406

... simple, because when we (CV-1 Guys) meet a goal, we relay this information on the forum, and many so called experts or racers words gets rammed in that dark place, and before you know it all those racer type comments start popping up, like what have i driven, how fast have i gone down the track etc. , it's like they think it's a right of passage or some BS, but my development work has been challenged from day one, and development is a process, meaning it takes time ...

... the level of work that I've accomplished at my job for example, is very high end, meaning my port development has made well over 2000hp N/A, but yet my work gets questioned by plumbers ??? ...

... I'm a cylinder head guy, that's what's relative so when Jack and his left nut start making retarded statements like 150hp more than my CVwhat heads on Fulton's engine, or the chamber is f'd up or the head isn't properly designed, does anyone here start asking them about what cylinder heads they've developed, or how much power are they responsible for concerning their cylinder head work ??? ...

... well, no, they don't do they ??? ...

... what is relative, is, i want to know what ALL of you non-believers will say IF Fulton hands Jack his ass ??? ...

Originally Posted by PAUL K

I'm still not making the connection to going down a race track or running faster than low ten's.

Are you referring to me in the "all of you non-believers" comment?

Originally Posted by twinturrbo406

(1st question ) ... that's my point, neither do i, CV-1's have been close to mid 8's N/A with Calvin's Fusion heads on 484c.i's and as fast as 176mph on a 535c.i N20 combo in Robin's T/A, and Fulton's car should provide a lot of insight as to where we stand with my work, simply asking what we've (CV-1's) done max effort N/A before even an engine like Fulton's N20 combo has been built & raced is a bit preemptive don't you think ? ...

(2nd question) ... if you're not a non-believer then certainly not, but if you are then yes ...

I'm soooo confused!

[slowbird]

Originally Posted by 7T2

larry is a great guy- anybody that doesn't know him should take the time to introduce at Norwalk (just plan on an hour to kill- lol)

but his '62 cat is an exhibition car, comparing it to a refined, max effort n/a car is hilarious... but that's the internet

So what should it be compared too? Also how many max effort Pontiacs do you think there are?

[PAUL K]

[QUOTE=65nss4spdGTO;5431199]I'm guessing a low 10 second ride with d-ports would require you to juice that car? At 3750+ lbs, your engine would need to be making over 750 HP if it's NA, a big task for a small port headed engine on street style compression.

There is no spray on JSPONT's car and it's a true street car. There's a cool video of it on YouTube.

[7T2]

against my better judgement,,,
but i just had to post a little nugget about who twinturrbo bill refers to as lil jack's 'left nut'... because its so damn FUNNY!!

gach just posted on his site in the JSpont thread #5:


"No I know exactly were your coming from, Marty ran a 6.95 over 10 years ago with Turbos and yep e-heads. I know him quite well because I bought those heads off him."

what a hoot! we all know what he says about our work and cv-1's...
PROOF that everything posted on that site should be taken with a grain of salt, cuz everyone knows marty ran iron 62's--

http://forums.maxperformanceinc.com/...d.php?t=768488

[JSPONT]

Originally Posted by 65nss4spdGTO

I'm guessing a low 10 second ride with d-ports would require you to juice that car? At 3750+ lbs, your engine would need to be making over 750 HP if it's NA, a big task for a small port headed engine on street style compression.

Robin Roberts ran low 8's ET, went as fast as 174 MPH trying to get the car to hook with CV-1 heads over two years ago.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ko9NSTPKX44

Dick Fulton has run will into the 7's, not just ONE TIME, his CV-1 engine is making a bunch more power over his old E-headed combo that ran in the 7's, he will be faster.

Calvin Hill
Hill Performance
708-250-7420

There might be a turbo on it! LOL I have a real tight budget, best bang for the buck.

I love both of the cars in this contest, both are Pontiac powered, both guys have bad azz cars, I can not wait to see video of either. Good luck to both of you, if I hit lotto this weekend I be coming for you both next year!!

[BruceWilkie]

[quote=PAUL K;5431257]

Originally Posted by 65nss4spdGTO

I'm guessing a low 10 second ride with d-ports would require you to juice that car? At 3750+ lbs, your engine would need to be making over 750 HP if it's NA, a big task for a small port headed engine on street style compression.

There is no spray on JSPONT's car and it's a true street car. There's a cool video of it on YouTube.

Clever wording there Paul.
It is a nice car and correct about no spray.

So why forget to mention the turbo and boost ?

Real basic simple combo that is very affordable. No reason he wont see 9's or better as he steps it up.

Dont need aftermarket heads for even 1000+ horsepower turbocharged. There are several very fast iron head turbo'd Pontiacs. A fairly heavy 69 GTO street car in the 8's over in iceland. Basic 455 with mild ported 197 round ports. Jeff Palazzo was into the 9's way back with a turbo'd 455 2 bolt block 6h heads and a Performer intake no less.

JS, if you are following, Bill has a nice 6x8 Port that out flows an out of box RPM head with a 2.10 valve(292 cfm). Its a a safe port, not razor thin, welded, or epoxied. However you can buy CV1 heads with identical ports to Mr fultons for a reasonable price. I witnessed that port development 3 years ago. There are bigger ports as well as smaller ones for smaller motors. Choose one that best meets the application and it will get cnc'd accordingly. The as cast version is plenty for lots of apps.

[twinturrbo406]

Originally Posted by slowbird

So what should it be compared too? Also how many max effort Pontiacs do you think there are?

... i would say not many, what's your opinion ?? ...

[john marcella]

Originally Posted by twinturrbo406

... simple, because when we (CV-1 Guys) meet a goal, we relay this information on the forum, and many so called experts or racers words gets rammed in that dark place, and before you know it all those racer type comments start popping up, like what have i driven, how fast have i gone down the track etc. , it's like they think it's a right of passage or some BS, but my development work has been challenged from day one, and development is a process, meaning it takes time ...

... the level of work that I've accomplished at my job for example, is very high end, meaning my port development has made well over 2000hp N/A, but yet my work gets questioned by plumbers ??? ...

... I'm a cylinder head guy, that's what's relative so when Jack and his left nut start making retarded statements like 150hp more than my CVwhat heads on Fulton's engine, or the chamber is f'd up or the head isn't properly designed, does anyone here start asking them about what cylinder heads they've developed, or how much power are they responsible for concerning their cylinder head work ??? ...

... well, no, they don't do they ??? ...

... what is relative, is, i want to know what ALL of you non-believers will say IF Fulton hands Jack his ass ??? ...

Why is Jack's motor the bench mark, with the limited glimpse i have had at it, it would be like picking on a retarded kid.

[john marcella]

What day is this race gona go down ?

[slowbird]

Originally Posted by twinturrbo406

... i would say not many, what's your opinion ?? ...

Agree 3-4 tops (that's probably pushing) but every time a comparison is made between a cv1 car and another car the claim is it an unfair comparison because the other car is max effort. Which lead me to believe there are lots of max effort Pontiacs out there.