[PAUL K]

[QUOTE=BruceWilkie;5431296]

Originally Posted by PAUL K

Clever wording there Paul.
It is a nice car and correct about no spray.

So why forget to mention the turbo and boost ?

For the same reason someone as smart, talented and gifted as Calvin would not mention that JSPONT'S engine could possibly have a turbo or blower. He only suggested it would have to have "spray".

[PAUL K]

Originally Posted by JSPONT

There might be a turbo on it! LOL I have a real tight budget, best bang for the buck.

I love both of the cars in this contest, both are Pontiac powered, both guys have bad azz cars, I can not wait to see video of either. Good luck to both of you, if I hit lotto this weekend I be coming for you both next year!!

Brand X is willing to "skull drag" the winner of this race with his E-headed car.

EHTTFMF!

[mike leech]

Originally Posted by slowbird

Agree 3-4 tops (that's probably pushing) but every time a comparison is made between a cv1 car and another car the claim is it an unfair comparison because the other car is max effort. Which lead me to believe there are lots of max effort Pontiacs out there.

Heres how i see it.

Catagories of racers

1. Below average.
Too lazy to change a wrong converter all season(or valve springs for years). Thats a winter project. If it wont bolt up hes sending it back. $ can be a factor. Mostly its motivation.
2. Average.
Might change the stall on a wrong converter. Would likely source an already proven combo from a vender.
3. Above average effort,still average results or below.
This guy tried hard. But most suffer due to false pride. They insist on picking their own cam or worse yet go to this guy for heads,that guy for intake, buy the cheapest ross pistons they can find thinking they are the same as custom. Same for oil pan etc. This guy is easy to spot. Hes usually saying things like "i know" and "i could do that too if i had your money" or my favorite "its not max effort like yours" and "unlimited budget" excuses
4. High effort. Above average and even max results.
This is high effort. Pays the same as the guy above for a cam, springs etc but gets one that performs much better by creating reltionships with the RIGHT vedors and trusts THEIR recomendation. And does not call all other otions to get their opinions of it. Might swap out the converter 4 times to get it right. An average guy can occupy this catagory with a lot of help and good support from the right guys. If you can fabricate,build engines,body and paint,understand an engine....its achievable on a reasonable budget. The less you can do yourself competently the more $ you need. This line is not always easy to see.
5. Max $
Hire $$$$$$ proven engine builder,chassis builder, have them consult at track.
Order dewco, 2 proflights,bolt together convertors and carbkn fiber shaft.
Note some to my amazement can do this and still screw it up. Some let it go to their head as if they were involved at a level higher than deciding how much to spend.

Also note some very humble hard working guys are a blend of the last two catagories.

[GTOGEORGE]

Originally Posted by LiL Jack

If I were you I would not talk to loud about motor breaking. Yours takes forever to get rebuilt and somehow ends up slower then before.

Trust me the "BREAKING engine" comment was NOT aimed at no one, I have always said that (for decades)! I wish nothing but GOID LUCK for anyone racing a Pontiac Period! Years ago back when I was running LOW 11's (in the late 80's)we had a group of racer we called the GO-FAST guys all they did was go fast BUT for only a couple or passes they'ed spend MORE time working on their cars then racing them.........we laughed at them, they were manly Chevys with a few (very few) Fords mixed in. So NOW I try NOT be be like them, my buddy stays on my case because its more FUN to race the car then always working on the car!! So back to my breakage and car taking so long to get done...........Jack you forgot to mention that I had my car re-painted (with body work) and 2 new doors, a hood and new windows and I sill made it out for 4 races..........not to bad!! Now for it going slower still working on a different combo, it takes time..........RIGHT but unlike some racers I actually RACE it......going out for the 3rd time next weekend (Blue Suede Nationals, Norwalk).
HOPE everyone makes it out to the Pontiac race and runs WELL with NO breakage! PONTIAC RULE!!


GTO George

[twinturrbo406]

Originally Posted by slowbird

Agree 3-4 tops (that's probably pushing) but every time a comparison is made between a cv1 car and another car the claim is it an unfair comparison because the other car is max effort. Which lead me to believe there are lots of max effort Pontiacs out there.

... well, how many max effort n/a CV-1 combos do you think there are ?? ...

[LiL Jack]

Originally Posted by twinturrbo406

... well, how many max effort n/a CV-1 combos do you think there are ?? ...

None, for a reason!

[twinturrbo406]

Originally Posted by mike leech

Heres how i see it.

Catagories of racers

1. Below average.
Too lazy to change a wrong converter all season(or valve springs for years). Thats a winter project. If it wont bolt up hes sending it back. $ can be a factor. Mostly its motivation.
2. Average.
Might change the stall on a wrong converter. Would likely source an already proven combo from a vender.
3. Above average effort,still average results or below.
This guy tried hard. But most suffer due to false pride. They insist on picking their own cam or worse yet go to this guy for heads,that guy for intake, buy the cheapest ross pistons they can find thinking they are the same as custom. Same for oil pan etc. This guy is easy to spot. Hes usually saying things like "i know" and "i could do that too if i had your money" or my favorite "its not max effort like yours" and "unlimited budget" excuses
4. High effort. Above average and even max results.
This is high effort. Pays the same as the guy above for a cam, springs etc but gets one that performs much better by creating reltionships with the RIGHT vedors and trusts THEIR recomendation. And does not call all other otions to get their opinions of it. Might swap out the converter 4 times to get it right. An average guy can occupy this catagory with a lot of help and good support from the right guys. If you can fabricate,build engines,body and paint,understand an engine....its achievable on a reasonable budget. The less you can do yourself competently the more $ you need. This line is not always easy to see.
5. Max $
Hire $$$$$$ proven engine builder,chassis builder, have them consult at track.
Order dewco, 2 proflights,bolt together convertors and carbkn fiber shaft.
Note some to my amazement can do this and still screw it up. Some let it go to their head as if they were involved at a level higher than deciding how much to spend.

Also note some very humble hard working guys are a blend of the last two catagories.

... damn good post Mike !!!!!! Wow !!!!!! ...

[twinturrbo406]

Originally Posted by LiL Jack

None, for a reason!

... well by all means, enlighten us with what "YOU" think that reason is .... plumber ...

[slowbird]

Originally Posted by mike leech

Heres how i see it.

Catagories of racers

1. Below average.
Too lazy to change a wrong converter all season(or valve springs for years). Thats a winter project. If it wont bolt up hes sending it back. $ can be a factor. Mostly its motivation.
2. Average.
Might change the stall on a wrong converter. Would likely source an already proven combo from a vender.
3. Above average effort,still average results or below.
This guy tried hard. But most suffer due to false pride. They insist on picking their own cam or worse yet go to this guy for heads,that guy for intake, buy the cheapest ross pistons they can find thinking they are the same as custom. Same for oil pan etc. This guy is easy to spot. Hes usually saying things like "i know" and "i could do that too if i had your money" or my favorite "its not max effort like yours" and "unlimited budget" excuses
4. High effort. Above average and even max results.
This is high effort. Pays the same as the guy above for a cam, springs etc but gets one that performs much better by creating reltionships with the RIGHT vedors and trusts THEIR recomendation. And does not call all other otions to get their opinions of it. Might swap out the converter 4 times to get it right. An average guy can occupy this catagory with a lot of help and good support from the right guys. If you can fabricate,build engines,body and paint,understand an engine....its achievable on a reasonable budget. The less you can do yourself competently the more $ you need. This line is not always easy to see.
5. Max $
Hire $$$$$$ proven engine builder,chassis builder, have them consult at track.
Order dewco, 2 proflights,bolt together convertors and carbkn fiber shaft.
Note some to my amazement can do this and still screw it up. Some let it go to their head as if they were involved at a level higher than deciding how much to spend.

Also note some very humble hard working guys are a blend of the last two catagories.

Maybe i am not understanding but i dont agree

[twinturrbo406]

Originally Posted by slowbird

Maybe i am not understanding but i dont agree

... lol, imagine that ...

[twinturrbo406]

Originally Posted by PAUL K

Brand X is willing to "skull drag" the winner of this race with his E-headed car.

EHTTFMF!

... really ??? ...

[slowbird]

Originally Posted by twinturrbo406

... lol, imagine that ...

Not surprising you agree because it allows you to point fingers at your customers when the engine doesn't perform.

[PAUL K]

Originally Posted by twinturrbo406

... really ??? ...

Yes

[GREATGTO]

Originally Posted by slowbird

Not surprising you agree because it allows you to point fingers at your customers when the engine doesn't perform.

From my understanding Fultons engine was the first build Bill was given the freedom to do what he felt would work best, over 1100 hp with 13.1 compression , who else has done that?a

[twinturrbo406]

Originally Posted by slowbird

Not surprising you agree because it allows you to point fingers at your customers when the engine doesn't perform.

... are you crazy Brian ?? ... these builds are nothing more then what the customer is willing to allow & pay for ... your comment is way out of line, Fulton is the 1st customer to take a build to the next level for Calvin or me, what the customer wants, is what we're allowed to do, period ...

[twinturrbo406]

Originally Posted by GREATGTO

From my understanding Fultons engine was the first build Bill was given the freedom to do what he felt would work best, over 1100 hp with 13.1 compression , who else has done that?a

... /\/\/\/\ THIS !!! /\/\/\/\ ...

[twinturrbo406]

... oh yeah ...

[mike leech]

Originally Posted by slowbird

Maybe i am not understanding but i dont agree

My pount was...

Dumb lazy guy is slo no matter what.
Smarter not lazy guy faster
Dumb guy that thinks hes smart is his worst enemy
Smart guy works hard and goes fast doing alot himself
Money alone is not enough but having some to spend can fix alot of speed problems

[GREATGTO]

I don't know what changes Fulton has made to his chassis or the rest of the driveline but its not too often you can make changes without other changes needing to be made after testing the car at the track.

Looks like Norwalk will be the testing ground with better results later on after the car is dialed in a bit. Nothing wrong with leaving everything else the same to create a baseline for future adjustments and or upgrades.

[twinturrbo406]

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