[slowbird]

Originally Posted by mike leech

And Alrighty then what do we have left....

Intake manifold. So again this is an area where a lot of guys just don't get it. They want a big hp engine and their uterus falls out when someone quotes them $1500 to port an intake.

NEWSFLASH

$1500 isn't even going to come close to supporting a 1100-1200 hp engine with a single 4 cast intake. Truth is theres a ton of time in this. I'm fortunate in that john and i are friends and he didn't charge me too much extra for me to "help". I have more time in mine than i thought it would take him. And he had a bunch more time in it than me.

You're looking at $4000 maybe more either way cast or sheet. Its what it is.

If you put a $1500 ported victor on my engine I suspect you would watch 150-200 hp disappear.

And no its not all cut into a hundred peices and welded back together......lol.

It's interesting the responses you get when you try to sell the $3000 intake for $1000-1500. People seem to focus on the heads and think a port matched intake is all that's needed.

[Chris Uratchko]

Originally Posted by slowbird

It's interesting the responses you get when you try to sell the $3000 intake for $1000-1500. People seem to focus on the heads and think a port matched intake is all that's needed.

LOL

That doesn't even scratch the surface of bizzaro world in engine building.

Most folks in the maximum effort category are wiling to shell 6-10k on cylinder head castings and rightly so after all the work involved.

But, for the engine guy, who is responsible for making it all happen .... you think he can charge 10k labor? Rarely......... if ever.

[cgeise]

For some the exhaust seems to be the red headed step child in the head equation I have never believed it and never figured it could hurt by having a good flowing exhaust

[Tom Vaught]

Originally Posted by cgeise

For some the exhaust seems to be the red headed step child in the head equation I have never believed it and never figured it could hurt by having a good flowing exhaust

We did only exhaust work, many years ago on the Keen's deal (Valve, porting, stepped headers, collector, etc much like Mike is doing and saw a real 3 tenths with a supercharged engine combination. Had to get the bad stuff out of the engine. Info of what the exhaust work does for Mike will be good info to know.

Tom V

[john marcella]

Originally Posted by cgeise

For some the exhaust seems to be the red headed step child in the head equation I have never believed it and never figured it could hurt by having a good flowing exhaust

Measured airflow on a flow bench ,on a exhaust port = big fat nothing! Just saying. On the ex side the bench will send you down the wrong path , fast.

[mike leech]

Yes. But the hard costs are a constant. Ie even with a issue you don't replace everything. And this is the do it yourself cheap version. Just dop it off at a well know builder and you will spend "tons" more. Guaranteed.

[Flyin79bird]

So...need a little extra plenum volume there?


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[PAUL K]

Tough break, Mike. I'm sure you'll get there!

[Probird]

That doesn't look good Mike!

[mike leech]

Just a broken spring and rocker and......?

[Tom Vaught]

Keep "Getting Up" when stuff knocks you off your feet Mike. You will get there.

Tom V.

[mike leech]

Its not that big of a deal. We will go again in a week or so

[dci]

Mike, This is why I like you. Your never say die attitude is inspiring and motivating. All the turmoil these kinds of engines create and always surprise us with will devastate most people. You shrug it off like it's no big deal and it is a BIG deal. I know it doesn't make it any better, but Thank You for showing us how it's done. The good and the bad !!!!!

[ponjohn]

Is that hardware from last year or new?

[mike leech]

New.

[mgarblik]

Mike, I can't see for sure what you have for retainers, keepers, lash caps and so forth. But if you had a failure in that area, we have had great luck with the Manley lash locks. They are a 3 piece assembly and the keepers fully surround a special lash cap. The lash cap has a hard ground surface with a large surface area for the T&D roller. We run 450 lbs. on the seat and around 1100 open. We were using Manton lash locks which are like a jigsaw puzzle piece, but I like these better. Glad you didn't have any big damage.

[aaronman]

Thanks for giving us a peek into what it takes to make this type of power. This is exactly the type of post that will put more Pontiacs in the winner circle.

[john marcella]

Originally Posted by aaronman

Thanks for giving us a peek into what it takes to make this type of power. This is exactly the type of post that will put more Pontiacs in the winner circle.

Weight breaks for being subpar are what will put Pontiacs in the Winner's Circle. Just saying. Lol.

[slowbird]

Originally Posted by john marcella

Weight breaks for being subpar are what will put Pontiacs in the Winner's Circle. Just saying. Lol.

Lol, some truth there

[Jack Gifford]

Hmm... those outer springs resemble the front suspension coils on my daily driver; I'd expect breakage if I used them as valve springs...

Seriously- are the retainers a good (snug) fit in the springs?