[dci]

Originally Posted by Chris Uratchko

LOL

That doesn't even scratch the surface of bizzaro world in engine building.

Most folks in the maximum effort category are wiling to shell 6-10k on cylinder head castings and rightly so after all the work involved.

But, for the engine guy, who is responsible for making it all happen .... you think he can charge 10k labor? Rarely......... if ever.

It's so bazaar to me that people don't value your time, expertise, experience, and ability to make it all function properly, but will go out and spend $3500.00 on a carburetor or $10,000 for a bare set of heads in hopes of picking up a half a tenth.. It's been a mystery to me since I started back in 1979. I would say the only people that know how much time it takes to design, make fit together, clean, assemble and figure out why something didn't work the way that you thought are less than 1%.

[Jeff Kinsler]

Badass for sure. These guys got it going on. Hope today goes good!!!!

Mike works hard for sure and deserves these results. .


EHTTFMF

[JSPONT]

Originally Posted by Chris Uratchko

LOL

That doesn't even scratch the surface of bizzaro world in engine building.

Most folks in the maximum effort category are wiling to shell 6-10k on cylinder head castings and rightly so after all the work involved.

But, for the engine guy, who is responsible for making it all happen .... you think he can charge 10k labor? Rarely......... if ever.

Depends on the clients, us poor Pontiac folks can't pay what you guys are worth. I can not afford a build like this, but the knowledge I keep getting is good for when I hit lotto. I cheaped out and added a turbo which has it's issues too.
Good luck Mike, Marcella posted a nice number he thinks it will hit.

[mike leech]

Well we were on our way. Now we got a little work to do

[PAUL K]

Tough break, Mike. I'm sure you'll get there!

[Probird]

That doesn't look good Mike!

[mike leech]

Just a broken spring and rocker and......?

[Tom Vaught]

Keep "Getting Up" when stuff knocks you off your feet Mike. You will get there.

Tom V.

[mike leech]

Its not that big of a deal. We will go again in a week or so

[dci]

Mike, This is why I like you. Your never say die attitude is inspiring and motivating. All the turmoil these kinds of engines create and always surprise us with will devastate most people. You shrug it off like it's no big deal and it is a BIG deal. I know it doesn't make it any better, but Thank You for showing us how it's done. The good and the bad !!!!!

[ponjohn]

Is that hardware from last year or new?

[mike leech]

New.

[mgarblik]

Mike, I can't see for sure what you have for retainers, keepers, lash caps and so forth. But if you had a failure in that area, we have had great luck with the Manley lash locks. They are a 3 piece assembly and the keepers fully surround a special lash cap. The lash cap has a hard ground surface with a large surface area for the T&D roller. We run 450 lbs. on the seat and around 1100 open. We were using Manton lash locks which are like a jigsaw puzzle piece, but I like these better. Glad you didn't have any big damage.

[twinturrbo406]

Originally Posted by mike leech

No. There is not enough money in my wallet to do anything with the mains. And the rod is 2.2 per the recommendations of Bryant. We chose rigidity over small journals. The last crank was wiggling around a bit. Plus Crank throw overlap. If we were to say 2.5 inches on the main and Honda journal on the crank, The rod pin would be completely divorced from the main pin on the crank. This was deemed to be a bigger problem at our power level than bearing temp

... there's ways around that too, we run a "Large Radius Arm" design crank, and it solves this issue, even at over 6 inches of stroke on a std. BBC main ...
... Bryant is the best for sure IMO, we've had serious breakage due to engines free-wheeling past the limiter after a snapped input shaft, and it hit 10,000rpm, the crankshaft was fine ...

[aaronman]

Thanks for giving us a peek into what it takes to make this type of power. This is exactly the type of post that will put more Pontiacs in the winner circle.

[john marcella]

Originally Posted by aaronman

Thanks for giving us a peek into what it takes to make this type of power. This is exactly the type of post that will put more Pontiacs in the winner circle.

Weight breaks for being subpar are what will put Pontiacs in the Winner's Circle. Just saying. Lol.

[slowbird]

Originally Posted by john marcella

Weight breaks for being subpar are what will put Pontiacs in the Winner's Circle. Just saying. Lol.

Lol, some truth there

[Jack Gifford]

Hmm... those outer springs resemble the front suspension coils on my daily driver; I'd expect breakage if I used them as valve springs...

Seriously- are the retainers a good (snug) fit in the springs?

[Jack Gifford]

Originally Posted by Jack Gifford

...Can you run less side clearance because of it?...[The oil-escape passages on the sides of the rods' big ends]

???

[Chris Uratchko]

I keep repeating to myself....

It's great when it's good, so you have to enjoy the moments because it's not always good!! And when it's not great, it's really bad. Engines are an all or nothing proposition in this sport. Love hate relationship.