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Old 06-12-2016, 07:25 PM
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Anyone know the best way to have favorable results making a repair on single stage PPG ? This is a question for a good friend of mine who painted a car with PPG single stage white. I think its concept, car has been painted for months and he had a small mishap on the roof during assembly , Its right near the window moulding and he needs to try to blend a small area in so not to have to repaint the entire roof and quarters that have been color sanded and buffed. He will be using paint from the same mixed batch and wants to ask for advice on how to achieve the best results not to have a visible edge. A blending clear? reducing the paint on the blend a bit more? are some of the thoughts he had. Any input would be greatly appreciated. Thanks

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Old 06-12-2016, 10:24 PM
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My GTO was painted with DuPont single stage--no clear. The shop tried several times to blend, including with the help of a DuPont rep on site. No success. They ended up painting the whole hood and trunk lid.

Seems weird--back in the day, blending Magic Mirror Acrylic lacquer was done routinely by body shops. You could not spot the repaired area, even with metallic paints.

Let us know how you do. If it's the roof, where do you stop? You'd have to paint both rear quarters to avoid blending.

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Old 06-12-2016, 10:39 PM
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Post a pic of the area needed repair ......and I'll hold your hand and walk you through the refinishing process......I have 40 years experience....been doing it every day of every year since I was 20.....

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Old 06-13-2016, 09:15 AM
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Can't really post a photo since the car is not here, It is a cameo white 77 I think firebird. Center of the rear roof about 1/2in in from the window moulding,, interior screw put small outy in roof. He tried to carefully tap it down but because the paint job is so nicely done it is visible. It looks to me like he might be able to block it level using the material thats on the car. It will be a matter of touching it with primer if necessary , getting some white back on what would hopefully be as small an area as possible blending into the roof away from the rear window. He works at a shop, not as a regular painter but does know the drill as far as sanding and prepping, The shop I guess does not use PPG but it his preference doing rest at home, he is very capable but wants to attempt this repair and get it as right as possible the first time before considering the whole roof and quarters being shot again. He asked me to post here more to find any input on any experience with blending agents? and or tricks of the trade that might help. Thanks
We both know how hard it is to get completely invisible results doing this, Hence the reason he is so upset about this, A magic wand would be really helpful if anyone has one.

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Old 06-13-2016, 01:24 PM
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If your only talking about a tip of a screw that went too far...your on the right track...carefully tap it down or have a PDR ( paintless dent repair) guy visit your car and have him tap it down. Did It crack any filler or primer ??? After tapping close to level....then make yourself the smallest block you can and wrap some 600 grit around that small block and carefully cut that "outie" level .if there is enough paint left after leveling.....sand area up to 3000 and Hand rub scratches out. If this method doesn't work .....you need a small spot Gun for the next repair and spray color away from larger area to cut down on over spray.......cover roof and just leave a hole big enough to spray your damaged area. After prepping damaged area for paint ....sand around area ...keeping it small as possible with 800.... Just for some tooth for paint to stick. Then beyond the 800... Sand with some 2,000 grit ...apply the first coat of activated color to the outer most edge....then 2 nd coat is to stay inside and smaller than first coat...3rd coat is to be kept inside the 2nd coat.....you smell what Iam cooking ??? Your painting this ass backwards...and that's also how you prime a damaged area. So after you get coverage on your spot and cannot see any primer or dark spot...immediately after your last coat of color ....Lightly and i mean lightly apply some NEXA 1405 blender over the whole area to melt it all together. Apply light coats until you are happy with the look. Let this repair set for a couple days....outside in the sun would be nice. Then gently "hand Rub " this area to a shine. This repair CANNOT be sanded and buffed with a machine....you will tear up the edge of the repair...it must be done but hand. If done properly only you and I know it's there. Outside in the sun...nobody is going to find it.....and they won't see it indoors either. These are the guide lines......the magic wand is in the hand and eye of the experienced painter ,that make the difficult look easy. Ask away if you have any Questions

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Old 06-13-2016, 01:31 PM
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Thanks very much for taking the time, I think this is the kind of inside,tricks of the trade info he was looking for, should help on some level. I will share this with him and wish him luck. Thanks again, I will let you know how he makes out .

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Old 06-13-2016, 09:50 PM
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The fade out reducer is Nexa 1401

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Old 10-14-2016, 11:38 AM
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1beautiful - How did this repair turn out? I have a similar outie on the hood where the washer hose bracket was installed with a slightly too long screw. Man, the hood is perfect except for that. I've just lived with it for years but would like to repair it. Seems like a very good repair technique.

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Old 10-14-2016, 11:50 AM
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I would have to touch base with my friend to get exact info, but he tapped the area down and did whatever sanding and spot prime keeping things as small as possible, he sanded with 600 and went out lightly from there with a scratch pad, he fanned some paint on it and last ( Used something to melt things in a little ) I can ask what he did, maybe some kind of blending clear. I know he looked into a product and was told it can't be done. But the final repair , I went and looked at it and could not find evidence of a repair, and I am very fussy. So I guess it can be done . But don't forget his paint was white and he had left over from the same mixed batch.

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Old 10-15-2016, 01:28 PM
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Very good to hear such favourable results. Thanks !!

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Old 10-25-2016, 10:48 AM
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White is one of the easiest colors to blend.

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Old 11-01-2016, 01:01 PM
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One of my last adventures was a 1962 Catalina done in PPG Concept (single stage) Aquamarine metallic. Blending in a repair? Ain't no way.

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Old 11-01-2016, 02:36 PM
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Your a brave soul ...going single stage ,with a metallic color....not cutting and buffing with that puppy. The last car I did in single stage metallic (Cenrari) 1980 ,was a turd,and the guy was too cheap to buy the clear....Lol

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