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GTOGEORGE · 01-02-2018, 04:21 PM

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Originally Posted by PAUL K

Yeah, but what was the weather like!

So Genius 2 cars both run 7.60 ET one on 85 degree weather and one in 60 degree weather.....what engine is making more HP? Don’t hurt yourself now!

GTO George

S/st 54 · 01-02-2018, 04:32 PM

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Originally Posted by GTOGEORGE

Who’s car?

GTO George

George,IF he dropped his motor and trans/converter in my car he would be more or less 1000lbs lighter. 4 bars more and my car would be 6.0 legal. ....I'd gladly take one for the team..and sit out a year S/ST racing to let Billy go deeeep in the 6's.....When it gets down to it those ECM guys are pretty good guys...sure they talk hella shhhhiiiiiituff but they without a doubt respect all our Pontiacs in 1 way or another...

GTOGEORGE · 01-02-2018, 04:46 PM

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Originally Posted by S/st 54

George,IF he dropped his motor and trans/converter in my car he would be more or less 1000lbs lighter. 4 bars more and my car would be 6.0 legal. ....I'd gladly take one for the team..and sit out a year S/ST racing to let Billy go deeeep in the 6's.....When it gets down to it those ECM guys are pretty good guys...sure they talk hella shhhhiiiiiituff but they without a doubt respect all our Pontiacs in 1 way or another...

He might give Justin a run for his money, if not out run him!

GTO George

PAUL K · 01-02-2018, 05:17 PM

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Originally Posted by GTOGEORGE

So Genius 2 cars both run 7.60 ET one on 85 degree weather and one in 60 degree weather.....what engine is making more HP? Don’t hurt yourself now!

GTO George

Oh young George, please tell me which one is running Eheads?

Stan Weiss · 01-02-2018, 05:18 PM

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Originally Posted by GTOGEORGE

So Genius 2 cars both run 7.60 ET one on 85 degree weather and one in 60 degree weather.....what engine is making more HP? Don’t hurt yourself now!

GTO George

GTOGeorge,
Do you own or use a weather station? Temperature is only one of a number of elements used in calculating DA. Also at the same DA Grains of water also matters.

Stan

PAUL K · 01-02-2018, 05:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Stan Weiss

GTOGeorge,
Do you own or use a weather station? Temperature is only one of a number of elements used in calculating DA. Also at the same DA Grains of water also matters.

Stan

Stan, that's one of George's trap questions.... a LOT more information needed to give an accurate answer.

GTOGEORGE · 05:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Stan Weiss

GTOGeorge,
Do you own or use a weather station? Temperature is only one of a number of elements used in calculating DA. Also at the same DA Grains of water also matters.

Stan

Trying to make it simple for the simple non-racers. I hate long post. I was in Kentucky 2 years ago running an 8.50 class in 100 degree temp I ran a 8.54.....next day temp was 87 degrees out i ran an 8.46 no other changes. Point being a weather changed and I picked up almost a .10. I didn’t lose 100 lbs I didn’t make any engine changes.....just weather. So when comparing HP levels in cars everything needs to be taken in consideration.

GTO George

slowbird · 01-02-2018, 06:00 PM

I personally think weather is some what of a non issue, when people run a personal best it's usually in killer air. I'd wager that almost all the ets/mph post on that chart were done in darn good air in the fall or early spring so i doubt there are huge swings to be seen. Just my opinion.

GTOGEORGE · 01-02-2018, 06:08 PM

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Originally Posted by slowbird

I personally think weather is some what of a non issue, when people run a personal best it's usually in killer air. I'd wager that almost all the ets/mph post on that chart were done in darn good air in the fall or early spring so i doubt there are huge swings to be seen. Just my opinion.

Just saying if someone is going to complain about HP in a lighter car or compare two cars they should also consider the weather conditions, some racers can't make it out in mineshaft conditions! I like to compare same day, same track results no WHINING then, takes the guessing out! Thats why I like Norwalk.....it gets most of the who's, who's of Pontiacs out there on the SAME day.

GTO George

JSPONT · 01-02-2018, 06:22 PM

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Originally Posted by GTOGEORGE

Just saying if someone is going to complain about HP in a lighter car or compare two cars they should also consider the weather conditions, some racers can't make it out in mineshaft conditions! I like to compare same day, same track results no WHINING then, takes the guessing out! Thats why I like Norwalk.....it gets most of the who's, who's of Pontiacs out there on the SAME day.

GTO George

My God George, what would be the real BIG difference? 2 cars running 7.80, one in 85 degrees the other 55 degrees .
Or 1 car running 7.80 at 2200lbs or the other going 7.80 at 3600.
You know the phucking answer you just like to stir th chit!!
As stated before by slowbird, most guys post there fastest time and I'll bet they were all when it was cool out.

PAUL K · 01-02-2018, 06:28 PM

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Originally Posted by GTOGEORGE

I was in Kentucky 2 years ago running an 8.50 class in 100 degree temp I ran a 8.54.....next day temp was 87 degrees out i ran an 8.46 no other changes. Point being a weather changed and I picked up almost a .10.

GTO George

A good tuner could've cut that difference in half.....just saying.

GTOGEORGE · 01-02-2018, 06:28 PM

Thank you...you answered my question by not answering my question and whining like a girl.

GTO George

GTOGEORGE · 06:45 PM

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Originally Posted by PAUL K

A good tuner could've cut that difference in half.....just saying.

Do you know anything about Racing.....street boy?

why would I need to tune it? Seriously I did for my 1st round, I knew I was going to run quicker (obviously), changed a pulley.

GTO George

PAUL K · 01-02-2018, 06:40 PM

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Originally Posted by GTOGEORGE

Do you know anything about Racing.....street boy?

GTO George

Yes I do, you go when the McDonalds bag hits the ground.

.....do you know anything about performance engine tuning....retired iron worker?

GTOGEORGE · 01-02-2018, 06:48 PM

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Originally Posted by PAUL K

Yes I do, you go when the McDonalds bag hits the ground.

.....do you know anything about performance engine tuning....retired iron worker?

No, I don’t know anything. That’s why my car is junk, it always breaks and I never go rounds! LMAO!

GTO George

PAUL K · 01-02-2018, 07:08 PM

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No, I don’t know anything. That’s why my car is junk, it always breaks and I never go rounds! LMAO!

GTO George

Well, if you're ever racing in my area I'd be happy to meet you and help you out. We could probably tune that Bad Boy right into the sevens!

Tom Vaught · 01-02-2018, 10:13 PM

Anyone remember Pat Donavan's et and quarter mile numbers?

Tom V.

Elarson · 01-02-2018, 11:21 PM

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Originally Posted by slowbird

I personally think weather is some what of a non issue, when people run a personal best it's usually in killer air. I'd wager that almost all the ets/mph post on that chart were done in darn good air in the fall or early spring so i doubt there are huge swings to be seen. Just my opinion.

Exactly. If everyone on the list makes a bunch of runs in all different conditions, then that minimizes weather as a variable.

Eric

johnta1 · 01-03-2018, 07:51 AM

Normally, but for some of the top fastest Pontiac guys they only run at certain races?
(like Norwalk)

It's never a mineshaft conditions then, usually not good racing conditions.

Look up Rob P posts on here for the original list he started way back.

chiefbigb · 01-03-2018, 09:32 AM

The numbers are what they are. That car that day went from a dead stop through the traps and that's it. Weather weight tire size just indicates factors in the equation. Anyone who is running in the 7s with a door car is flying. It's not cheap with a light car just a bit easier than with a tank. How many times you can do this without issues shows tuning ability and correct design.

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