[64speed]

I trust my engine builder 100%. More GOOD information with which to formulate questions for him though is never a bad thing in my minds eye. I also bought an MSD street fire box with rev limiter

[jhein]

A few weeks ago I was doing some work in my shop. I have my little air compressor up against my shop wall about 3 feet away from the car. I turned it on and went about other business. When I came back, the front of the compressor had walked across the floor from it's vibration. The handle was up against my rear quarter vibrating away. It put a tiny chip in the paint, about 3 mm size. Thankfully no dent. The compressor has never moved like that before. That pissed me off.

But, since I drive the car it does get it's share of chips and the rest of it. That's just the way it goes.

[geeteeohguy]

In 1988, three years after it was painted, I was at my dad's house in the hills and the neighbor asked me to move the car down into the back area so he could use dad's driveway to get a hot tub delivered. I obliged, but for the hour my car was parked in the backyard outside the garage, a squirrel chewed off a 10 inch long, 2 pound green pinecone and it fell about 110 feet and hit the trunklid of the GTO. To this day, it looks like someone took a ball peen hammer and hit the trunk lid super hard. Nice dent the size of a quarter. And double walled, so no easy way to remove without repainting. I'll fix it if I ever paint the car again. The single stage is holding up pretty good for a 38 year old paint job!

[64speed]

Originally Posted by geeteeohguy

Attachment 611664In 1988, three years after it was painted, I was at my dad's house in the hills and the neighbor asked me to move the car down into the back area so he could use dad's driveway to get a hot tub delivered. I obliged, but for the hour my car was parked in the backyard outside the garage, a squirrel chewed off a 10 inch long, 2 pound green pinecone and it fell about 110 feet and hit the trunklid of the GTO. To this day, it looks like someone took a ball peen hammer and hit the trunk lid super hard. Nice dent the size of a quarter. And double walled, so no easy way to remove without repainting. I'll fix it if I ever paint the car again. The single stage is holding up pretty good for a 38 year old paint job!

That really sucks

[kingbuzzo]

lol you guys made me spit out the coffee...keep it up haha

[64speed]

Sleeve is in the block and everything seems good. Since its a free job he is not processing it at the front of the line but it should be done soon

[Gach]

Progress good news better then no news at all. Hang in there

[NeighborsComplaint]

I’ve been thinking about both your dilemma and you originally stated goals for the car. Did you ever consider an LS swap (like your FIL’s car)?

I know LS is not popular here on the board with the pure Pontiac types but they are a lot of bang for the buck, perform well in stock form with OEM reliability and great mileage for a car meant to be driven. It’s not to late to sell your repaired motor and headers to recoup some cash, source a low mileage LS motor and do the conversion.

[Gach]

Originally Posted by NeighborsComplaint

I’ve been thinking about both your dilemma and you originally stated goals for the car. Did you ever consider an LS swap (like your FIL’s car)?

I know LS is not popular here on the board with the pure Pontiac types but they are a lot of bang for the buck, perform well in stock form with OEM reliability and great mileage for a car meant to be driven. It’s not to late to sell your repaired motor and headers to recoup some cash, source a low mileage LS motor and do the conversion.

After all he’s been though I wouldn’t blame him. LS or not its still a Pontiac Tempest

[Dragncar]

"pure Pontiac types" are the only types.
Its about the engine more than the car. Put a LS in her and its no longer a Pontiac. Might as well be a Chevy.
LS conversions are the worst.
Without the Strato Streak engine this site does not exist.

[JSchmitz]

Originally Posted by Dragncar

"pure Pontiac types" are the only types.
Its about the engine more than the car. Put a LS in her and its no longer a Pontiac. Might as well be a Chevy.
LS conversions are the worst.
Without the Strato Streak engine this site does not exist.

How about a 403 Olds T/A? Pontiac did this themselves.

I have a $400 5.3 in my '64 GTO right now. Love it! Can't wait to upgrade!

455 w/cracked block is on the engine stand. Kept most all of the parts. Sold the AL heads and roller cam to fund the transplant. Sill have some damn good #96 heads on the shelf. I'll keep my out for a rolling chassis after I retire.

Best of luck getting your car running!!!

[NeighborsComplaint]

Originally Posted by Dragncar

"pure Pontiac types" are the only types.
Its about the engine more than the car. Put a LS in her and its no longer a Pontiac. Might as well be a Chevy.
LS conversions are the worst.
Without the Strato Streak engine this site does not exist.

Doc says "Take 2 of these and call me in the morning ..."

[PAUL K]

If one installed an LS engine and used Chevy rocker arms would that cause the cylinder to leak water... Asking for a friend.

[NeighborsComplaint]

Real world car made to be driven and can still say it's a Pontiac.

Doc says "Take 2 of these and a shot of LS and call me in the morning."

[Dragncar]

Originally Posted by NeighborsComplaint

Real world car made to be driven and can still say it's a Pontiac.

Doc says "Take 2 of these and a shot of LS and call me in the morning."

Most lame thing ever. Was never a real GTO.
Someone in my family bought a 2004. Drove it to my house, since I am the Pontiac guy to show it off. Waled outside, told them it sucked and was not a real GTO. They left.

[NeighborsComplaint]

Originally Posted by Dragncar

Most lame thing ever. Was never a real GTO.
Someone in my family bought a 2004. Drove it to my house, since I am the Pontiac guy to show it off. Waled outside, told them it sucked and was not a real GTO. They left.

I'd like to think you only imagined doing that because I assume you are an adult. You were expecting Pontiac to reissue a stacked headlight, carbureted car, with an outdated engine and a leaking rear main seal meeting your definition of a GTO maybe? Those "updated GTO's were great cars and all about balance ... creature comfort, performance and handling. The GTO was named after the greatest grand touring car ever made wasn't it? Did the classic GTO's live up to their name? Ask any Ferrari officinado. I think Pontiac actually built a car (well Monaro did) which "reimagined" the GTO of old that actually lived up to the name and modern car expectations, not the street racing legend of the earlier cars. A different car for a different time.

I guess it all depends on one's definition of a street car but the hobby in reality, boils down to driving rolling anachronisms better suited to the period they were originally created in. The level to which we improve these anachronisms through modernization (disc brakes, suspension and steering upgrades, creature comforts like later model or aftermarket seats, fuel injection or modern engine transplantation) the closer we come to achieving the balance a street driven car should achieve.

[Gach]

Let me back up here on Butler quote, he’s asking for a Carb to pan which of course Includes flex plate and harmonic balancer…and Dyno. The qoute was between $32-35,000.00. Ok lets say $32,000.00 ready to pick up or be delivered. With dyno sheet. So what your saying id Butler making $10.000.00 on the deal.

Ok show me or give a number of a builder that can do the whole deal for $23,000.00. And guarantee 800 hp on 93 octane. I’m sure he’ll jump all over it.

By the way that $3600.00 KRE block is no longer available until the fine a new foundry.

[Dragncar]

Originally Posted by NeighborsComplaint

I'd like to think you only imagined doing that because I assume you are an adult. You were expecting Pontiac to reissue a stacked headlight, carbureted car, with an outdated engine and a leaking rear main seal meeting your definition of a GTO maybe? Those "updated GTO's were great cars and all about balance ... creature comfort, performance and handling. The GTO was named after the greatest grand touring car ever made wasn't it? Did the classic GTO's live up to their name? Ask any Ferrari officinado. I think Pontiac actually built a car (well Monaro did) which "reimagined" the GTO of old that actually lived up to the name and modern car expectations, not the street racing legend of the earlier cars. A different car for a different time.

I guess it all depends on one's definition of a street car but the hobby in reality, boils down to driving rolling anachronisms better suited to the period they were originally created in. The level to which we improve these anachronisms through modernization (disc brakes, suspension and steering upgrades, creature comforts like later model or aftermarket seats, fuel injection or modern engine transplantation) the closer we come to achieving the balance a street driven car should achieve.

I do not lie, that happened.
Just like the guy at the track who showed up years ago with a beautiful 68 GTO.. Hood was down so the first thing I did was walk up and drop to the ground and look under the car. The fellow who I had never met simply said "yes, it still has a Pontiac in it".
We are friends till this day. That is how I am, hard core.
Its about THE ENGINE. The only difference between a Camero and a Firebird, a Chevelle and a GTO is the trim, badges and THE ENGINE. For all intents and purposes they are the same car except for the engine.
If you knew anything about GM politics back in the day you would know that it was Chevrolet who snuffed out all the deigns of our beloved Pontiac engine that would put them in 2nd place on the street. And who cares if PMD had to stuff Olds engines, Chevy engines in their cars the 70s when they were forced to kill their engine. They were never real Pontiacs anyway, not one of them.
And I could not care less if GM Powertrain made the LS and PMD in their last dying days tried to make a buck on the non discerning Pontiac fans and made that joke of a GTO. It never was one. What it was, a money grab and just another "who cares car, worn out look bar of soap car". You can see a real GTO a mile away.
You want to turn you old Pontiac into a who cares car, stuff a LS into her and act like you have done something. Puff up your chest with your checkbook when all you did was show the world you are not good enough to build your own awesome, reliable real Pontiac engine for your real Pontiac car.
And I think the same thing about all these Deltas who get a 1969 Cuda and "modernize it" with a new 700HP Hemi. Same thing about Chevy guys who shove a LS in a 66 SS Chevelle. Its so weak. That guy ran 12s and I laughed at him to his face at the track.
You first paragraph, wow. No I never thought PMD should have made a caurborated GTO with stacked headlights. Those only came one year, 65 anyway ? It was never going to happen, a real GTO. Tooling gone, no blocks. I mean, if it was based on the Monte Carlo with a RAV block, tuned port intake ect, that would have been more like it. Pie in the sky so let the GTO name be.

Any real true blue Pontiac fan is a Last Act of Defiance kind of guy. We fight a uphill battle and take it on.
You can be one of us, or one of them. Not both.

[HWYSTR455]

I agree, hang in there, nothing worth having comes easy. Everything, good or bad, is part of the journey to success & happiness.


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[tom s]

We looked into a LS conversion for a 76 TA,with all needed to do they are not that cheap.Went with a 455 and a 200R.Tom