[muscle_collector]

this is a loaded up rare ragtop. really unique color

https://www.ebay.com/itm/1972-Pontia...Ba~yKR&vxp=mtr

[Baron Von Zeppelin]

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First thought was Forrestt had a White / Gold car like this .

and turns out that is Forrestt selling this one !

I'll check my stuff and try to see if i have anything on either car , or maybe they are the same car .

[Baron Von Zeppelin]

This is a picture he shared on here a long time ago .
The PHS he shared way back was always a crop shot and none i have showed the lower ledger portions.


Just now saw he has a picture of it on the auction when it was White
The man has had some Ultra-Rare 455 Verts over the years.

This one was a Zone Brass Company Car from Zone 18 and 997 Internal Use
Could have other Invoices on file with PHS if lucky
Its a multi-invoice car for sure , discounted etc ...

This is the Full Copy of Invoice listed on auction now.

[Forrest]

Hey Guys... yep..time to let it go..decided it needs a better home than I can provide...soo rare it should be in a "collection or museum".. this time around I really made it as correct as possible...it does hurt to let go..second car I ever did around 20 years ago...there is an emotional attachment..Hey Baron...great info!..(zone brass etc) how do you see that on the phs?? Amazing your knowledge on this stuff!:

[flyingn]

beautiful car, Forrest. You did a great job with it

[The Boss]

Great car Forrest - Rick Hendrick's Green automatic Sport went through Mecum Kissimmee and I though had sold but is on the roster for BJ in CT next month.

I'll be watching both of these with interest. Good luck!

[muscle_collector]

Originally Posted by Forrest

Hey Guys... yep..time to let it go..decided it needs a better home than I can provide...soo rare it should be in a "collection or museum".. this time around I really made it as correct as possible...it does hurt to let go..second car I ever did around 20 years ago...there is an emotional attachment..Hey Baron...great info!..(zone brass etc) how do you see that on the phs?? Amazing your knowledge on this stuff!:

the 5 % car usually meant that

love the car

[Lloyd-TX]

So sad to se it go, but one's circumstances always change. I'm certain it will find a good home!
Good luck with the sale, Forrest, and please keep in touch my friend!

BTW - the Brittany Beige / Saddle gut / black top is simply stunning!

[Baron Von Zeppelin]

Forrest , it has most all the indicators possible , without also having Invoice #1

9D Memo - ZSI 18 xxxx
Discount 5% notation
No HoldBack Amount
Delivered to 18-997 Zone 18 Hdqtrs - Internal Use Code
License Fee
Probably a 20 , 25 or 30 in lower left corner area of ledger -- too fuzzy to read.

No Doubt About It

You should call Jim M personally at PHS and inquire if another Invoice is on file.
You will probably have to pay again if that isnt a freshly bought sample.
72 is a good year for multi-invoices still being on file
Jeff Harper had a 72 455 Lemans with 3 Invoices

What is the Body Build Date on Trim Tag ?

[Forrest]

Hey Baron..date on build/body tag is 5C (3rd week May)...block date is 1st week of may.. kinda cool that it may be one of the last of these muscle bound ( 455 h/o) Pontiac A bodies sold?? Your info is not making it any easier to sell this.( more reasons to love the car!).... I really appreciate the info!.. May have to end the auction and relist because ebay does not allow editing the description or photos after a 1st bid anymore...I always added to description/ and photos in earlier ads ( two or more years ago) because of all the questions I get..they changed the rules again! oh well..!..The guy that owns Zaxbys ( a huge restaurant chain). is a good friend of someone I know here in ga.. he is building a huge classic car museum a few miles from me..trying to get him to buy it.. that way I could visit my car whenever!

['ol Pinion head]

Forrest, your GT convert looks REALLY SHARP repainted and striped in the original color combo. GLWS!

[The Boss]

Originally Posted by Forrest

Hey Baron..date on build/body tag is 5C (3rd week May)...block date is 1st week of may.. kinda cool that it may be one of the last of these muscle bound ( 455 h/o) Pontiac A bodies sold?? Your info is not making it any easier to sell this.( more reasons to love the car!).... I really appreciate the info!.. May have to end the auction and relist because ebay does not allow editing the description or photos after a 1st bid anymore...I always added to description/ and photos in earlier ads ( two or more years ago) because of all the questions I get..they changed the rules again! oh well..!..The guy that owns Zaxbys ( a huge restaurant chain). is a good friend of someone I know here in ga.. he is building a huge classic car museum a few miles from me..trying to get him to buy it.. that way I could visit my car whenever!

Pretty sure he was the guy that bought a bunch of Milt's cars when he had the auction at his place.

[Baron Von Zeppelin]

The "general standard" deal on those company cars was 3 months or 3000 miles.
Whichever came first.

Another "general standard" was a $5000.00 cap
Big Shot Brass Hats could run on up to around $5500.00 range - like yours.

*standards almost always have exceptions > for the nit pickers

Promo / Show / Marketing / Eng-Dev , could be any dollar figure on the menu.

Here is an example of what an ordinary Georgia Sold PHS for 1972 looks like , to compare.

No license fees , Memos , Discounts , etc ...

[Baron Von Zeppelin]

okay, cards on the table
your ad listing is a Mess.
Not saying you cant sell a car.
You've sold many before.

But this is sort of one one of those Mopar Money type Lemans
Not that easy , Chris and Rick have been at it for a while already.

1 wall of solid text - needs some paragraphs and spacing.

Give just the raw car details first.
Short commentary on unique factors and production totals.

I would get Brittany Beige somewhere in opening description - in case an interested prospector has a wife, daughter, grand-daughter named Brittany.
That name exploded in the 90's. Almost everybody has somebody named Brittany now.
Might create some sub-conscious attachment.
But wouldnt try to make it a big deal about lowest production color or yada yada.

I'd do the Brass Hat Zone connection in opening too , but wouldn't go over the top with yada yada there either.

Anything that is matching numbers - VIN stamped - correct date - list it out
Block code
Carb code
Intake
Distrib
Exh Manifolds
Trans
Rear

Working AC , Cruise , Accessories , key buzzer , seat belt buzzer , etc ... nice tidbits like that.

List out anything that still needs buttoning up or replacing to be dead solid correct or fully functional. That instills confidence and minimizes "what else is swept under the carpet" thoughts.

Buyers want to know how much more expenditure are they looking at to get one as close as possible - without having to ask 4000 questions just to get the basics covered.

Your car is great and you always do great work.
The general public doesn't know you or have faith in you.
Matching numbers claims dont always pan out the same - spell it out piece by piece.
Show you are using facts , not just words.

Then after all that , write the book.
Car/Owner history , condition before restoration , restoration depth , everything you can think of... all the yada yada with a cherry on top.

$20 to get a duplicate title in NC when you lose track of one.
Maybe Georgia isnt too different.
Out of State prospects arent going to like reading - Bill of Sale Only.

DO check with PHS about multiple invoices.
That will be a knock out punch , and leave less explaining to folks who arent as much up to speed on those things.

[Baron Von Zeppelin]

This is a poor copy , was one of The Boss's parts cars.
But representative of what Invoice #1 would look like for your Car.

The main thing of interest to see is the lower ledger where it says
Pontiac Motor Division - ZONE 16
Charlotte NC

Yours will be like that - except ZONE 18 , Atlanta GA

When a car has multiples , still in existence , hard copies , even the weakest can see it plain as day. Life gets simpler and potential interests rise.
Not really additional monetary value involved - just an extra interest.

[The Boss]

To further Todd's advice and to overcome a line I have heard quite often, yes it is a LeMans but so was EVERY other GTO that year. In 1972 the GTO went back to being an option code on the LeMans.

Also make a point to mention that the Convertible GTO was canceled way back in the early spring of 1971 but that if you were astute, and knew what you were doing, you could build one of your own drop top, top horsepower A-Bodies - and that's what your 1st owner did, stacking the GT option in there as well.

Good luck!

[Baron Von Zeppelin]

Good strong points there Boss.

I would even maybe go so far to say

you could build one of your own drop top, top horsepower A-Bodies , with GTO endura - GTO scooped hood - Ram Air Induction - massive exhaust manifold exhaustion.
Everything a 455HO GTO Vert "would" have been - except for the O following GT .

oooo
i like that

-and that's what your 1st owner did
would replace that with
-and thats what this car IS

since the first owner terminology could get a debate from the wacky type

[Baron Von Zeppelin]

Originally Posted by Baron Von Zeppelin

Not really additional monetary value involved - just an extra interest.

extra interest can create a few extra dollars , sometimes .
Interest is primary goal , the more the merrier.

eh , yeh , money works that way too
i'd be merrier if i had more of it

[Forrest]

Wow!! Lots of info and you are all correct...I am shutting it down to do a "rebuff" on the listing... lots of info you gave me...I guess I really fell apart listing this car.. ( Freudian slip, not wanting it to sell!)..anyway will redo it it per your thoughts.. can't thank you enough!.. Should I refer potential buyers to this forum ( done this in the past) for my history in car restos and past pictures?? Maybe get the moderators to delete these post on the listing advise? L.O.L!

[Forrest]

I ended it.. Never done this before.. hopefully does not piss people off!...will revise per your suggestions and WILL TAKE MY TIME doing it!...great new info to publish,, Thanx! This is getting exiting!