[johnta1]

On my dealer page you can hit the button to get all the dealers.
(so many per page basically)

You can input the state abbreviation to get all that are in that state.
Or by city. (some city names in different states though)

Or by zone.
Each input can be searched individually or with combinations.

But I would be very happy to see a full list of all the Pontiac dealers from anyone.

[WQ59B]

Originally Posted by johnta1

On my dealer page you can hit the button to get all the dealers. (so many per page basically)

You can input the state abbreviation to get all that are in that state.
Or by city. (some city names in different states though)

Or by zone.
Each input can be searched individually or with combinations.

But I would be very happy to see a full list of all the Pontiac dealers from anyone.

Ahh- only the search function seems to work on my browser- will check on another computer. That sounds excellent.

Curious- do you have an approximate count on how many dealers you list?

[WQ59B]

2022 update : my Pontiac dealer list is currently about 4800 coded, and about 9900 total. I continue to work on this list regularly.

Some observations ~

• Not positive PMD skipped numbers to maintain future alphabetizing. I have some runs of numbers which suggest they didn't (470, 471, 472, 473, 474, 475, 476, 478, 479, 480, 481)... but mathematically the system allows for a far greater number of dealers than Pontiac ever would have (27 zones x 999 codes = 26,973 dealers), so... there was plenty of room to. But via observation, I haven't seen a clear pattern yet.

• The zone/dealer code system got some modifications right about 1987.

Some zones received new dealer #s starting 'high' numerically. Zone 10 is one; around 10 600 starts a new batch of dealers, not all of them correctly alphabetized.

• Some dealers with the same name/address appear in 2 different zones; the 'divider' there being... the year circa '87. Wright Motors of Evansville IN is in Zone 12 (sources: '69, '75), but is also in Zone 9 with an '89 source. This may be a circumstance of the '87 mods, when it seems a few zones 'went dormant'.

An example of this is Zone 12 - I have no newer source years for the dealers in 12 than the mid 80s (unless it was in business unchanged since before that, and continued). In other words: there appear to be no newly-issued codes in Zone 12 after '87. There's a few more Zones like 12, post 1987.

I think we'd certainly like to have a rigid, well-defined system here, but GM has a long habit of... not doing that. If you get a chance to see a list of GM's XP-project vehicle numbers, they did it again there.

[Scarebird]

I was not aware of John's work - sent in the info for the TA today (Sullivan-Anderson, Everett WA 25-420), will examine Lemans also...

Thanks John.

[johnta1]

Thank you.





I'll add it.

[Held for Ransom]

I don't know when this database was created, but it may help in locating dealers not in your list.
http://www.autodealerdirectory.us/
Search by state and make.

[johnta1]

Thanks Mike!
Interesting link.


Too bad they don't have the dealer zone/codes, but they would have to have them for each division if in the name I suppose.

[242177P]

Originally Posted by johnta1

Too bad they don't have the dealer zone/codes, but they would have to have them for each division if in the name I suppose.

I think it might? There's an ID number, I'm seeing WA numbers ranging from 84xxx-85xxx. CA from 64xxx-67xxx. Did GM revamp their dealer codes at some point?

[Held for Ransom]

Originally Posted by 242177P

I think it might? There's an ID number, I'm seeing WA numbers ranging from 84xxx-85xxx. CA from 64xxx-67xxx. Did GM revamp their dealer codes at some point?

That is the ID#'s for the website database.
2,916 dealers listed for CA and 581 dealers listed for WA.