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Old 08-16-2018, 07:55 PM
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Roland offers notching... The sale includes it.
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Old 08-16-2018, 08:24 PM
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i see your price for the rocker shaft.
Does that price include the roller rockers too?

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Old 08-16-2018, 09:29 PM
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i see your price for the rocker shaft.
Does that price include the roller rockers too?
oops,,
just saw these questions... yes, that price is for complete system. bases, shafts, rockers, fasteners.

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Old 08-17-2018, 07:34 AM
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Ok thank you .

Im curious why your rocker set up is $500.00 more then T&D's. Is yours made from better material ? Can you explain?

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Ok thank you .

Im curious why your rocker set up is $500.00 more then T&D's. Is yours made from better material ? Can you explain?

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the two designs are totally different. T&D uses individual rocker bases secured by each rocker boss- pinned by drilling dowel holes into each boss. my system ties 4 bosses together, negating need to drill dowel holes. primary benefit is that my sys divides spring load events across half the head- which enhances event accuracy by minimizing deflection from individual sources.
T&D doesnt have pic of their system on their website, so i created one showing comparo in CAD as an illustration-
pic #1- 4 rocker design on left is CAD example of T&D system.. right side is mine. other pics are of actual applications of my design.
reason it costs more is cuz its much more costly to produce... steel bases must be done on 5 axis cnc- ten times more brain power is necessary to program and cut them...not to mention the equipment necessary.
to be clear- an inline head and associated componentry can be done on a 3 axis mill- simplicity and therefore greatly reduced cost
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Jesel makes a nice shaft rocker for the cv-1 also

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Jesel makes a nice shaft rocker for the cv-1 also
true-
jesel is a leading edge innovator-
but not even they could cut my design-
their system is a single plate that requires machining to the head-which requires additional machining cost that must be added into the equation.
whats important to know is that once a cv-1 head is modified for the jesel system, it must be sold w/ that system...
my steel bases require NO machining to the heads-(which no one does for free) so if owner decides to go back to guideplates & roller rockers.- then it can be done with ease..

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Burce, What do they flow on a 4.350 bore?
... the sheet in the middle is the "as cast ports" with the 2.190 valve and the CNC chamber option for a 4.350 bore or larger ...
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Old 08-19-2018, 02:58 PM
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Not quite certain but CNC chamber for 4.35 bore and adding a 2.19 valve bumps it to 384 iirc.
Here's a port he developed using a 2.25 valve flowed on 4.155 bore and 4.35 bore
Well guys, i've had this particular port in storage for quite sometime now (about 5yrs) as i could only use it in the new CV-1.1 castings, and porters castings at that, but i'm happy to say there is a customer that has asked me to CNC his porters castings with this intake port & the convertible exhaust ... i need to volume check the CNC'd version as it took a little work to fit everything just right so i expect it to shrink a little, but for now it's been nicknamed the "High Port" ... It is a standard pushrod location port, meaning no offset is required to run it, and it's based on a 2.250 valve and moves pretty good air for it's size, this port should prove to be a very versatile option for many applications, i hope you enjoy the pics ...

(4.155 bore) (4.350 bore)

.100 - 83.2 .100 - 79.5
.200 - 151.8 .200 - 151.4
.300 - 228.2 .300 - 234.4
.400 - 291.1 .400 - 296.1
.500 - 344.6 .500 - 356.2
.600 - 389.3 .600 - 407.7
.700 - 412.1 .700 - 429.7
.800 - 419.2 .800 - 447.9
.900 - 437.5 .900 - 454.1
There are plenty of other choices and combinations including bigger valve and chamber options. Much higher flowing as well , already developed and ready for CNC.
Best to talk with Jim or Bill for what best suits your needs. Or other questions concerns like the rocker stands.( Not needed if using non shaft rockers.) .
... yeah we had to wait for the new castings for this one, but we have a customer building a combo with this option so we're very excited to see how well it does ...
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Old 08-19-2018, 03:21 PM
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Still no prices on the supports. How much do they add to the length of the pushrod ?
Good numbers for the bore size. Back when they first came out the talk was they were supposed to be good on 400s and 428s but I have not heard of too many builds on the smaller stuff.

... this is my (3.250main) 428 stock block & crank combo, i ran my CV-290 intake port option, one of my dominator carbs, the as cast CVI-1R manifold, solid roller 4/7-3/2 swap, full lifter bore brace, and Ultra Pro rockers with the R2 Billet stud girdle, 1-7/8 stepped headers, and pistons with both CV-1 & OEM valve reliefs, final compression was 10.6 to 1, on 93 octane fuel it made 715hp @ 7300rpm, it had a Jones Vac pump but unfortunately only made about 2-3 inches of vacuum so there's a touch more power on the table for sure, but all testing was done with the complete mechanical drive system in place, not stripped down with just an electric water pump, i'm sure that hurt power a bit but i wanted realistic testing so that's how i ran it ...

... i would expect a little less rpm and a little less power with the (CV-277) CV-1.1 as cast heads and the low rise single 4 manifold, i have no doubt the as cast top end would work very well on a 400c.i. build and i'd love to do one but most want big c.i.'s now a' days so we'll just wait for that opportunity, but we do actually have a 487c.i. (stock block) pump gas build underway for a customer so once i have that testing results i will post it up for those interested ...
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Old 08-19-2018, 04:02 PM
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... this is my (3.250main) 428 stock block & crank combo, i ran my CV-290 intake port option, one of my dominator carbs, the as cast CVI-1R manifold, solid roller 4/7-3/2 swap, full lifter bore brace, and Ultra Pro rockers with the R2 Billet stud girdle, 1-7/8 stepped headers, and pistons with both CV-1 & OEM valve reliefs, final compression was 10.6 to 1, on 93 octane fuel it made 715hp @ 7300rpm, it had a Jones Vac pump but unfortunately only made about 2-3 inches of vacuum so there's a touch more power on the table for sure, but all testing was done with the complete mechanical drive system in place, not stripped down with just an electric water pump, i'm sure that hurt power a bit but i wanted realistic testing so that's how i ran it ...

... i would expect a little less rpm and a little less power with the (CV-277) CV-1.1 as cast heads and the low rise single 4 manifold, i have no doubt the as cast top end would work very well on a 400c.i. build and i'd love to do one but most want big c.i.'s now a' days so we'll just wait for that opportunity, but we do actually have a 487c.i. (stock block) pump gas build underway for a customer so once i have that testing results i will post it up for those interested ...
What RPM did it make peak TQ at ? What do the supports add to the length of the pushrod ?
I know you like Molnar rods and cranks. I have some Molnar 6.8 Power Adder rods showing up this week for my build.

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Old 08-19-2018, 04:28 PM
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The 428 on the Dyno https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CQA9L03gC0A

More videos at http://www.rolandracing.com/id70.html

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What RPM did it make peak TQ at ? What do the supports add to the length of the pushrod ?
I know you like Molnar rods and cranks. I have some Molnar 6.8 Power Adder rods showing up this week for my build.
... i'd have to find the dyno sheet, it made a tick under 610ftlbs, but it's been sometime since i've looked at it, but i remember specifically pulling the engine down on the dyno below 3500rpm under full load and the engine never let up, it just kept pulling, believe me it makes really good TQ downstairs ...

... as for the shaft system, every engine i've been involved with using the R2 shaft system started out with that system, so what the actual difference between rocker arm set up to shaft set up in terms of pushrod length i couldn't tell you, i measure them to length and then order them, why are you so concerned about that difference ? ...

... and yes i am a distributor for Molnar, he makes the best forgings available for the Pontiac application, which is why i worked with Tom on the final details of the journals and the strokes, it's very nice stuff ...

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Wish Molnar would have made some 4" stoke cranks, people want them and they are hard to get.

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Wish Molnar would have made some 4" stoke cranks, people want them and they are hard to get.
... that is something we are discussing, these strokes were a starting point to see what i can sell the most of ...

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Do you have a lower manifold for a street car ? How tall is that compared to a victor?

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... this is my (3.250main) 428 stock block & crank combo, i ran my CV-290 intake port option, one of my dominator carbs, the as cast CVI-1R manifold, solid roller 4/7-3/2 swap, full lifter bore brace, and Ultra Pro rockers with the R2 Billet stud girdle, 1-7/8 stepped headers, and pistons with both CV-1 & OEM valve reliefs, final compression was 10.6 to 1, on 93 octane fuel it made 715hp @ 7300rpm, it had a Jones Vac pump but unfortunately only made about 2-3 inches of vacuum so there's a touch more power on the table for sure, but all testing was done with the complete mechanical drive system in place, not stripped down with just an electric water pump, i'm sure that hurt power a bit but i wanted realistic testing so that's how i ran it ...

... i would expect a little less rpm and a little less power with the (CV-277) CV-1.1 as cast heads and the low rise single 4 manifold, i have no doubt the as cast top end would work very well on a 400c.i. build and i'd love to do one but most want big c.i.'s now a' days so we'll just wait for that opportunity, but we do actually have a 487c.i. (stock block) pump gas build underway for a customer so once i have that testing results i will post it up for those interested ...
What a lazy port turd....

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Do you have a lower manifold for a street car ? How tall is that compared to a victor?

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the 2 pc 'R' manifold is not much taller than a tiger manifold. the street single fo' is little shorter than the edl victor

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Charlie their is a tunnel ram that could be setup for EFI and front or rear entry might give enough, maybe more, hood clearance than single four.

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Well im asking because i wouldnt want to cut my hood . I think ive seen there was a lower one but wasnt sure if it was still avaiable.How tall is the low manifold if you're still making it? Can the low intake make the hp like this 428 just did? That would be great!

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