[mgarblik]

Next week I will be driving 1050 miles round trip from Dayton, OH to Norcross, GA for training. My school has a bunch of electric cars and trucks including 4 Tesla's. I can drive anything I want. I wanted to drive the most high tech thing we had in the fleet to really test it out on the trip. Turns out, it's just too complicated and too much drama to make it any fun. Have to plan on a minimum of 3 charging stops, probably 4. That's a substantial time waster. Plus the general anxiety of finding an open charger when I have someplace I have to get to on time. Just decided it was too much aggravation and advanced planning for my taste. Decided to drive our Cadillac with Super Cruise so I can get used to semi-autonomous driving that will be fun. I can stop one time each way at one of a zillion gas stations for a 5 minute fill up. I enjoy driving the Tesla's. The one we have with the largest battery available and ludicrous mode software is very quick 0-100 MPH. But they are ugly and have no sound. Somewhat of a drawback aside from playing "Where's Waldo" looking for an open charger.

[turbo69bird]

Originally Posted by mgarblik

Next week I will be driving 1050 miles round trip from Dayton, OH to Norcross, GA for training. My school has a bunch of electric cars and trucks including 4 Tesla's. I can drive anything I want. I wanted to drive the most high tech thing we had in the fleet to really test it out on the trip. Turns out, it's just too complicated and too much drama to make it any fun. Have to plan on a minimum of 3 charging stops, probably 4. That's a substantial time waster. Plus the general anxiety of finding an open charger when I have someplace I have to get to on time. Just decided it was too much aggravation and advanced planning for my taste. Decided to drive our Cadillac with Super Cruise so I can get used to semi-autonomous driving that will be fun. I can stop one time each way at one of a zillion gas stations for a 5 minute fill up. I enjoy driving the Tesla's. The one we have with the largest battery available and ludicrous mode software is very quick 0-100 MPH. But they are ugly and have no sound. Somewhat of a drawback aside from playing "Where's Waldo" looking for an open charger.

Idk maybe it’s differnt where you guys are but in the north east it’s a non issue. You plug it into the GPS super charger it says where there’s one conditions the battery you stop and charge quick and go . And charge for $40 Vs $139 in my diesel. Every time I read an anti Tesla post I think what are these guys talking about. But it’s never anyone who has spent any time in a Tesla. .

I hated teslas before I owned one, even when a freind of mine let me drive his model 3 a few times still hated them. . Couldn’t argue w the stats though. I bought my hellcat before the Tesla x plaid. No way I’d have bought a hellcat Vs the plaid especially a model S plaid. Runs a 9.17 stock inthe 1/4 mile !!!!! . Even at 710 HP it’s like a chevette compared to the plaid . The torque just isn’t there like the electric . They DO have a sound it’s just a different sound more like a turbo. I probably wouldn’t buy a lower model if you’re gonna buy one buy a plaid. I know everyone wants me to lie to them but this is the truth . This guy built the most amazing car ever, it could be improved as can any car but it’s the whole package.

In my opinion it is what the GTO was when it came out a game changer . Same w the pony car . It’s. A game changer. It’s hated by the right because it’s electric and the greenies started that .
It’s hated by the left because he said people should vote right this time around and he bought Twitter . So everyone hates the guy I get that. But the cars stand on thier own and destroy everything else.

[The Champ]

Originally Posted by turbo69bird

Idk maybe it’s differnt where you guys are but in the north east it’s a non issue. You plug it into the GPS super charger it says where there’s one conditions the battery you stop and charge quick and go . And charge for $40 Vs $139 in my diesel.

In most of the country, it is an issue.

As was posted, mgarblik was making over a 1000 mile trip. You can fill up an empty ICE in less than 5 minutes (and that includes the time to get off and back on the road).

Can't do that with an 'empty' EV. How far off your route do you have to go to find a charger? Is there a charger available at that location? How long does it take to 'fill' an empty EV? And I want the time for all the different levels of chargers...

Your comparison of paying for $40 vs $139 is lacking one key piece of information - how much range was added for the price difference? I'd be willing to bet that you can drive a lot farther before having to refuel the diesel.

[Half-Inch Stud]

I thought about re-bodying a GTO or T/A onto the TESLA chassis, but lost interest on the Charging vs Gasoline infrastructure.

[tom s]

If EVs get to500 mile range I would entertain one but not 1000 HP anything.Tom

[turbo69bird]

Originally Posted by tom s

If EVs get to500 mile range I would entertain one but not 1000 HP anything.Tom

Some are over 500 mile range

Don’t get me wrong here guys I still love my classsics because they are classics but don’t fool yourselves into thinking they are the better cars. They aren’t It’s just not factual. It can be a feeling you have but compared side by side in testing the Teslas come out far far ahead .
They have changed the game.

I can drive my Tesla anywhere in comfort with 6 people, and run faster than any stock Pontiac even an engineering mule could ever dream. If pontiac were around today I’m sure they’d give ‘em a run for thier money but it’s just embarrassing to even try to compare an old pontiac side by side w a Tesla plaid. Or any other classic really . Anyone who knows and has owned a Tesla plaid knows it’s not even a comparison . It’s like comparing a bicycle to a car . It’s just NOT in the same ballpark. Anyone doubts me come for a
Ride in my Tesla plaid .

It’s a little like having a cr500 dirt bike it’s awesome it’s amazing it’s fast, but it’s not gonna be what a RAIV GTO or firebird is , it’s just different . That’s how our old Pontiacs are compared to a Tesla plaid . Just different.

[Radman]

I have been watching the EV debate for some time. I do not think that they would be practical for me. I live in the Appalachian foothills in Eastern Ohio. Today I made a trip to the grocery store, 18 miles one way. I used my GPS and got the major elevation changes in that trip. There are many minor changes that I did not list. Here are my elevation based on sea level by the GPS. At the garage 1028, top of the driveway 1161, at the road 1063. I will not list the other measurement locations but here are the big changes. 992, 1266, 1066, 1130, 962, 1066, 1130, 962, 908, 1145, 1158, 1024, 1136, 806, 920, 1111, 822.
OK add about 1000 pounds to the vehicle weight and drag it up and down those elevation changes. Also note that you will need to do those changes in the reverse order on the way back home.

[turbo69bird]

Originally Posted by Radman

I have been watching the EV debate for some time. I do not think that they would be practical for me. I live in the Appalachian foothills in Eastern Ohio. Today I made a trip to the grocery store, 18 miles one way. I used my GPS and got the major elevation changes in that trip. There are many minor changes that I did not list. Here are my elevation based on sea level by the GPS. At the garage 1028, top of the driveway 1161, at the road 1063. I will not list the other measurement locations but here are the big changes. 992, 1266, 1066, 1130, 962, 1066, 1130, 962, 908, 1145, 1158, 1024, 1136, 806, 920, 1111, 822.
OK add about 1000 pounds to the vehicle weight and drag it up and down those elevation changes. Also note that you will need to do those changes in the reverse order on the way back home.

Oh man I love reading this thread sometimes , usually well
Informed guy being completely uninformed about this topic is hysterical. Idk what the heck elevation changes have to do with an EV? I live in CT and I am I. Areas with pretty big hills and elevation changes there’s nothing my Tesla plaid can’t do better than a ICE car.
As with anything there’s differences . If you run out of gas you can’t put gas in it. ?


Yeah if your ICE car I
Runs out of gas you can’t put a charge in it , LOL

It really just infrastructure change . Many areas have guys with batteries on trailers that will come out and hit your car with a charge for you W AAA

Chevy BOLT? What a POS I’m sorry but if you’re gonna buy a EV buy a Tesla not some half Witt idea of an EV.

There’s a reason most EVs on the road are teslas. .

I wish I could take all of you in my Tesla model X plaid . You’d be blown away. There is not a Pontiac built that can compare ever . Not my RAIV not My RAV . Love my Pontiacs but this car trounces them in every way It’s just NOT on the same ballpark. Again love the nostalgia of my ponchos like crazy!!! But it’s like brining a rock to a gun fight.

I just want you guys to understand because you kind of sound ridiculous. If I didn’t tell you it was an EV driving unit you wouldn’t know. Except it was more torque and way more HP
It’s usable like a Catalina wagon but fast as a RAV pro stocker . . Gas stations? Haven’t seen one I. A long time, I charge it at night while I sleep most times and it goes 330 miles on that .
It costs me $40 to do so

I really don’t loses any sleep over people not “Getting it” but I read these statements and think how could people be soooooo misinformed . Those who know me know I’m NOT a freebie by any stretch of the imagination. FAR from it. I want a clean world but that’s not why I own one . I own one because it’s a better car. It’s better than anything I’ve ever owned. In 90 percent of circumstances .

I would t want to TOW heavy things like skid steers and boats , cars w it. And I wouldn’t want to be in areas without options for charging unless I had short drives like 75 miles or less . But everything else It is BETTER .

[kingbuzzo]

That is one minty exploder...I'm guessing it didn't come with the stock firestones lol

I used to take my bird to work every fryday pre-covid when going to an office was a thing.

I would have loved to take it everyday but a one hour commute each way wasn't feasible. I have to laff at just the ridiculousness of driving for an hour to sit in a stupid office FOR NO REASON - covid has been good to me for that reason alone.

Driving the bird in rush hour was still fun - making the commute an interesting visceral experience but she was a 20 footer...lol

[kingbuzzo]

https://www.autoblog.com/2023/04/26/...fficial-rules/

[Stuart]

Like anything else, it depends...in mgarblik's case, Dayton to Norcross is about 500 miles one way, all along I-75. I checked an EV route planner and there is a plethora of charging stations along the way. Assuming the car is a Tesla it should be able to go 250 miles on a charge. So, if it's fully charged at the start of the trip, it may only require one charging stop midway, then a charge while he's in Norcross, then one more charging stop on the way home. That means an ~30 minute stop in the middle of each drive. Every person has different stamina on road trips, but personally I wouldn't mind the chance to get out and stretch my legs after 250 miles and I could plan around the additional time required to get there.

[kingbuzzo]

Strange, with those good looks you would think it would sell like hotcakes!

https://www.autoblog.com/2023/03/10/...organ-stanley/

[The Champ]

Originally Posted by kingbuzzo

Strange, with those good looks you would think it would sell like hotcakes!

Looks are a personal thing (personally, I think it looks worse than the much maligned Aztek) but besides that, you can't buy what isn't being built.

Production is slated for 'mid 2023'. Of course it was revealed back in the fall of 2019 with an estimated price of $40,000 (funny, you couldn't buy a Tesla Model 3 for that in 2019) so it will be nearly 4 years (if production starts on time - never a sure thing with Tesla) before unit #1 is sold (if they actually produce any this summer.

And who knows what the price will be. More than a buck $40,000, that's for sure....

[Sirrotica]

Having worked on electric propelled forklifts, and aerial lifts since back in the mid 80s I have some exposure to limitations of these vehicles. Typically a lead acid battery will be on charge for 2 times the use of the machine with a 120 volt charger that charges at 30-40 amps. If the machine is used for an 8 hour shift it will be off line for 16 hours. If the machine is used heavily, the charge will not make 8 hours, usually around 6 hours. Charging with 220 volts reduces the downtime, same as EV chargers do.

I can't tell you how many times I've come onto a construction site at about 1-2 in the afternoon that the electric/battery aerial lifts were being driven around the site with an extension cord plugged into the charger, so that they could finish the remainder of the shift. I have also have seen forklifts used in a freezer that would simulate cold weather environment that have severely reduced battery capacity when subjected to cold.

Having seen this with lead acid batteries, the lithium isn't that much more advanced that it is a miracle cure for the older style lead acid type. My lithium powered drills, and drivers are subject to the same short comings that the lead acid batteries have endured for years.

Just like anything else, if you want zero emissions inside a building, the electric propelled units are the answer. If you're doing real work, and moving heavy objects with a forklift, running an aerial lift up and down repeatedly in a tall building where there is air circulation from the outside, you want an ICE powered machine (propane, gasoline, or diesel). Each has their advantages in certain situations, as well as drawbacks. Much more overall power for the long run, over electric.

Myself, after exposure to both types of machines, and working on both as my profession, I definitely lean towards an ICE vehicle if it will be used heavily all day long. The electrics are more for light usage, and zero emissions in a enclosed environment. The ICE unit is definitely more versatile than the electrics, and usually cheaper to buy, run, and maintain overall.

The railroad industry has been using ICE engine, electromotive locomotives for years, if someone wants to have the range of an ICE vehicle, and lower emissions of an electric vehicle, I believe the hybrid is much more practical, than a pure electric vehicle. Tesla doesn't have that option, as far as I know of. Just the ICE generator in a trailer option, which goes back to the aerial lifts I posted about earlier, with extension cords powering the chargers, to finish the shift out ............LOL

[kingbuzzo]

Originally Posted by The Champ

Looks are a personal thing (personally, I think it looks worse than the much maligned Aztek) but besides that, you can't buy what isn't being built.

He has to jack up the prices to pay for the Twitter.

[The Champ]

Originally Posted by kingbuzzo

He has to jack up the prices to pay for the Twitter.

Actually, he recently lowered the prices, so that some of his vehicles would qualify for the new government electric vehicle tax credits.

The other vehicles that were too expensive for the tax credits were reduced just reduced also - mainly in attempt to be more competitive be with the increased competition he is facing.

Tesla sold more vehicles last year than ever before, but their market share is dropping. Look for that to accelerate in 2023 and beyond.

The Teslaphiles for the most part believe nothing is better than a Tesla. But main stream America, if they want to try an electric car, are more inclined to go with a brand they are familiar with - Ford, Toyota, NIssan, Honda, GM, etc...

[tom s]

Saw a picture of a EV car with a trailer hitch and a bracket on it for a generator to charge his car.Tom

[rolling money pits]

Originally Posted by tom s

Saw a picture of a EV car with a trailer hitch and a bracket on it for a generator to charge his car.Tom

Were Frieburger and Finnegan driving it?

[Scarebird]

I would wager 97% of the time trips taken in a vehicle are less than 20 miles and for pedestrian tasks; commuting to work, grocery shopping, etc.

A Nissan Leaf or equivalent would more than suffice here.

[mgarblik]

Originally Posted by Scarebird

I would wager 97% of the time trips taken in a vehicle are less than 20 miles and for pedestrian tasks; commuting to work, grocery shopping, etc.

A Nissan Leaf or equivalent would more than suffice here.

Absolutely agree with you. I am not really an EV hater. I think they would make an excellent supplemental transportation device. When the time comes that I can buy a used one for 5K or so, I may be in the market for around town use. But as for personal transportation REPLACEMENT, I still think it's going to be long after I am worm food. It will be fun seeing how it all pans out.