[SRR]

The EV drivers are in for a surprise when they start getting charged by the mile because of tax loss from not buying fuel. With the price of gas here at $4.65 a gallon I understand why there are so many EV and hybrid cars here.

[scott70]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uIXfp7pVFV4

[jhein]

Lots of fires with electric bikes too.

I may be wrong but I think that for the larger EV fires (cars and larger) that they can't really extinguish them with typically available equipment/materials. They more-or-less supervise the fire and try to prevent spread and let it burn out.

[dataway]

Tesla is moving toward the LiFePo batteries, I think many EV companies will do the same. WAY less chance of any kind of combustion. There are LiFePo batteries actually approved for use in airplanes. They have a bit less energy density, and don't put out quite as much current but are factors of ten safer.

[Tom Vaught]

Sorry but that is one "BUTT UGLY" vehicle there.

Tom V

[jhein]

Jaguar recall due to fires.

https://www.breitbart.com/tech/2023/...ery-fire-risk/

[The Champ]

Many people claim that range anxiety is a false claim. Maybe in certain areas it is. But the EV owner from Canada in the link above exemplifies the real world problems for much of the country.

After spending $115,000 on the Ford EV pickup, and then putting in a level 2 charger at home and at work for a combined total of $16,000 additional, he learned that recharging his vehicle on a simple trip from Winnipeg to Chicago was an epic fail.

"On the family’s first stop in Fargo, North Dakota, it took two hours and $56 to charge his vehicle from 10% to 90%. The charge was good for another 215 miles."

"On the second stop, in Albertville, Minnesota, the free charger was faulty and the phone number on the charging station was of no help, he said. The family drove to another charging station in Elk River, Minnesota, but the charger was faulty there as well."

With only 12 miles of range left on his EV due to faulty chargers, what next?

Tow the vehicle into the nearest Ford garage, rent a vehicle to complete their trip and then pickup the Ford on the way home.

Before this debacle there was another EV problem..

"Not long after the purchase, Bala got into a minor accident which, he said, required "light assembly" on the front bumper. Bala took the vehicle to the body shop and did not get it back for six months."

"The actual thing they promised is not even close. Not even 50%. And once you buy it, you're stuck with it and you have to carry huge losses to get rid of that. And nobody is there to help you."

[Stuart]

Originally Posted by The Champ

Before this debacle there was another EV problem..

"Not long after the purchase, Bala got into a minor accident which, he said, required "light assembly" on the front bumper. Bala took the vehicle to the body shop and did not get it back for six months."

That sort of thing is certainly not limited to EVs - plenty of people have had delay problems these days with repairs on all sorts of cars. Just one example is my brother's Subaru Forester, he was in a collision over a year ago and it's still in the body shop waiting for a replacement radiator core support to be delivered.

[kingbuzzo]

https://www.autoblog.com/2023/10/16/...ing-ev-demand/

[mzbk2l]

I don't understand the people who would buy an EV thinking they're going cross-country. Did they do exactly zero research on it whatsoever? I'm a big fan IF your use case fits their strengths, but I don't see the majority of people fitting into that use case.

My family members can Level 2 charge for free at work. If we get a Cadillac Lyriq with 300+ miles of range, she can charge on Monday, do her 60-mile round trip each day on that charge, and then charge on Friday and we have 200+ miles available for the weekend. Over 500 miles a week with zero gas cost. If we want to go to Vegas or San Diego, we can take my CT6-V.

My retired mother lives in a town where EVERYTHING (hospital, library, post office, grocery stores, restaurants, banks) are within 3 miles of her. She could get an EV and overnight charge it on 110v at home once a month and not run out of battery.

For anyone else? Either don't get one, or don't get one as a primary vehicle. - it doesn't make sense.

[grandam1979]

It’s still all about the high price I don’t have that much into the last 3 trucks I have purchased and two of them were new. Never paying a $100,000+ for a daily driver.

[rolling money pits]

EVs absolutely have their place, as do hybrids, and dino cars.

Shame, for some, it appears to be all or nothing. The some, for the most part, come from the government.

[scott70]

https://www.businessinsider.com/ford...y-check-2023-8

[mzbk2l]

Ford CEO Calls Charging Issues A ‘Reality Check’ During F-150 Lightning Road Trip

Last week, Ford CEO Jim Farley hit the road in an F-150 Lightning pickup, driving along Route 66 and into the American West to really put the electric truck through its paces. Unfortunately, Business Insider reports that the EV road trip isn’t exactly all it’s cracked up to be for the CEO.

Farley has reportedly faced a few headaches when it comes to charging the Lightning, and he has acknowledged that there is much more that needs to be done in order to improve customer experience.

[Tom Vaught]

Glad I am moving 50 miles away from my current home to a nice piece of property in the middle of Large Acreage farms.
We used to have 4 very large "MALLS" in the Detroit area: Northland, Westland, Southland, and Eastland.
I lived a 1/4th mile from what was Eastland before the last mall was eliminated. But Home Depot, Lowes, and Amazon built large (AMAZON key point in this post,)
Stores and Warehouses and the city (17,000 people) today has the nicest high school on the east side of the city.
The Grosse Pointe schools are ancient vs the modern high school in the neighborhood I am moving out of.

In this case, Mike, the businesses you mentioned are basically supporting the entire budget of my current city.
Sounds like your Township did not do a very good job of working deals with these large companies.

That said, I wanted acreage in the country.

The farms are minimum size of 100 acres and many are 5 to 10 times larger in size.

Gods Country for me. 30 deer drank at my lake a few days ago. Still moving tons of Pontiac stuff to the new place.

So I guess it is how a given township/city makes a deal with these large companies, you mentioned. Ford, GM, TELSA, Home Depot, Lowes, etc.

Will not effect me one way of the other.

Sorry to hear that your case is different. CITY-FIED. Cheap taxes, etc

Tom V.

Ford says they want everything EV in 10 years, good luck with that target.

[GTO JONES]

I just did a trip from Az to Ohio and back towing a 24 ft. enclosed trailer with my GTO in it. I stopped 9 times to fill with gas each way, only seen 1 charging station that had 12 chargers. No one was using them, just saying LOL.

[Stuart]

Originally Posted by GTO JONES

I just did a trip from Az to Ohio and back towing a 24 ft. enclosed trailer with my GTO in it. I stopped 9 times to fill with gas each way, only seen 1 charging station that had 12 chargers. No one was using them, just saying LOL.

Charging stations aren't very often located at gas stations. They may be a mile off the Interstate, sitting next to a hotel or a Wal-Mart or some other spot. There were probably many of them along the way that you just didn't see.

[The Champ]

Originally Posted by Stuart

Charging stations aren't very often located at gas stations. They may be a mile off the Interstate, sitting next to a hotel or a Wal-Mart or some other spot. There were probably many of them along the way that you just didn't see.

Off I90 near Rochester within 1 mile there is one (1) charger at the Kwik Trip north of Stewartville and one (1) charger near airport north of the interstate. Neither of them are Tesla superchargers. The nearest 'fast' charger is 10 miles off the interstate.

The nearest one has a $2.00 connection charge and then $.28 per kwh.

That is not 'many' chargers considering Rochester is one of the larger communities in MN and this being a well traveled interstate.

What do you do if someone else is already plugged in or if that location is not functional? What if there is multiple people wanting to recharge ahead of you?

Bottom line, in the midwest, EV's are not a good viable option for people that travel longer distances.

If you use one for your daily commute to work - they serve a solid purpose - as you can recharge at home.

[mzbk2l]

If this technology works out, it could close the gap between ICE and EV:

Fully Charged in Just 6 Minutes – Groundbreaking Technique Could Revolutionize EV Charging

Typically, it takes around 10 hours to charge an electric vehicle. Even with fast-charging techniques, you’re still looking at a minimum of 30 minutes – and that’s if there’s an open spot at a charging station. If electric vehicles could charge as swiftly as we refill traditional gas vehicles, it would alleviate the shortage of EV charging spots.

The efficiency of lithium-ion batteries, the type used in electric vehicles, is determined by the anode material’s capability to store lithium ions. Recently, Professor Won Bae Kim, from the Department of Chemical Engineering and the Graduate Institute of Ferrous & Energy Materials Technology at Pohang University of Science and Technology (POSTECH, President Moo Hwan Kim), led a research team to develop a new anode material.

His team, which included Ph.D. candidates Song Kyu Kang and Minho Kim from the Department of Chemical Engineering, synthesized manganese ferrites (Mn3-xFexO4) nanosheets using a novel self-hybridization method involving a straightforward galvanic replacement-derived process. This groundbreaking technique boosts storage capacity approximately 1.5 times above the theoretical limit and enables an electric vehicle to be charged in as little as six minutes. The research was recognized for its excellence and was published as a front-cover paper in the journal Advanced Functional Materials.

[nas t eh]

Originally Posted by mzbk2l

If this technology works out, it could close the gap between ICE and EV:

Fully Charged in Just 6 Minutes – Groundbreaking Technique Could Revolutionize EV Charging

I wonder if it matters how big the wire is suppling the charger and from the charger to the battery?