[getmygoat]

Hi all,

What do you think explains this price difference? There was some uncertainty as to whether the red car had a matching #s drivetrain, but it was a nice frame off restoration.

What would the red car be worth with a #s drivetrain? One sold at Mecum recently for $140? Surprised the red car went for so little just because people were not sure of the #'s?

Thanks for any insights!

The two cars:

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1969-pontiac-gto-91/

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1969-pontiac-gto-77/

[bluejudge]

Originally Posted by getmygoat

Hi all,

What do you think explains this price difference? There was some uncertainty as to whether the red car had a matching #s drivetrain, but it was a nice frame off restoration.

What would the red car be worth with a #s drivetrain? One sold at Mecum recently for $140? Surprised the red car went for so little just because people were not sure of the #'s?

Thanks for any insights!

The two cars:

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1969-pontiac-gto-91/

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1969-pontiac-gto-77/

I watched both of these. I just think the 69 CR Judge was more original, rust and all. I could not believe that CR Judge went for that much money. But if I was someone who did not have to worry about not losing money on a car, it is a Judge… The one that sold at Mecum, if it was the one in PA it was a nice car, but not perfect. When I saw how much it sold for I could not believe it.

[Judge273]

It’s always good to see the phs is still an amazing piece of paper to show how it left the factory.

I still feel that original cars with all its original items shown help the buyers trigger for money. (Great pictures of the original components including carb, pans, manifolds )

I’m not sure that the CR judge isn’t looked at more of a survivor car. And not a complete Resto car like the MR car.

Not a complete rust bucket and that can polished nicely with a bit of elbow grease. Not sure what the deck lid needs to make it nice beside some repairs.

But, to keep it looking like a nice survivor looks great in a collectors garage.

The biggest thing I see that the MR judge showed. Wrong color stripe always says something that more must be wrong. But, more importantly to me. Lack of carb, heads, manifolds, dist, alt, trans and vin pad pictures.

[johnta1]

The CR Judge is also a 'Pattern' Judge. Not sure if that makes it worth any more, but is nice for documentation.


The MR Judge engine I don't think is the original one. They should have shown the partial VIN of the engine.
(I have the EUN listed under another VIN)

[60sstuff]

The ‘69 Carousel Red Judge (BF 01C) that Gary Uftring won on BaT is really cool.
I also watched that auction because I love any Original paint cars.

I’d leave it as is, except make it safe to drive.
Remember, they are OOO (Only Original Once).

Mr. Uftring has a few other rare Original paint Pontiacs in his collection.

[Brewster]

Great car and agree with keeping it original/.

[Baron Von Zeppelin]

The Matador Judge has sold 3 times for 62 , 65 and 70 USD in the past 10 years.
It has Original Nothing regarding drivetrain.
Laundry list of short falls.
But it was worth what it sold for , best I can tell.

The Pattern Judge had Original Everything regarding Everything.
Big money doesn't wake up for every put back together car.

Matador with Parchment and the right decals is about my favorite combo.
Matador with Black and wrong decals with big rims didn't look especially great.

[Mcronk]

Another data point is this 69 CR Judge that sold for $44k. I should have gone and looked at this car since it was only a couple hours away. However it appeared to need everything redone. With some work it could be a nice driver.

https://www.hemmings.com/auction/196...fl-971429/sold

I appreciate a survivor car but have passed on a few because they were a little too "rough" for my liking. However a nicely restored car even with some original components missing seems to be a good deal. In the long run you could correct the missing components for a lot less than restoring an entire car. Especially if it has good paint/body condition.

Currently I have the chance to purchase a 68 GTO RA Convertible 4 speed car. It had an amatuer restoration back in 2006 but needs to be redone. However it has its "born with" drivetrain, great documentation, and 1 of 92 RA convertible 4 speeds built in 1968 (which includes RA and RAII cars). I am having a hard time deciding what it is worth. I really did not want a big project but the car has potential.