[Simple Man]

Merger? We will see what happens...

https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/comp...d70197d4&ei=23

[kingbuzzo]

Wife just bot a datsun last year...maybe they will have a better service/warranty structure as it pales in comparison to GM imo

Also the big three takes new meaning...

[Skidmark]

I like both brands, but I'll never own a car with a CVT transmission again. Had a murano with one.

[b-man]

Nissan CVT transmissions are one of the biggest factors in their decline, they didn’t address the issues until a few years ago which may have been too late.

Unfortunately most any foreign name compact comes with a CVT unless you’re buying a sporty version with a stick shift which is a very small segment of the market.

I bought my wife a ‘23 Civic Sport hatchback a little over 2 years ago and didn’t have any another choice but to accept a CVT transmission. So far it’s okay, we just don’t drive it hard anyway and will keep up on fluid changes. The Sport is their least expensive model and I chose it because it’s still offered with a less complicated 2-liter naturally aspirated engine instead of a 1.5 liter turbo.

[necdb3]

B-man,

Knock wood but I bought my wife a 2016 Camry Hybrid new. It has 106k miles on it with a CVT and not a stitch of trouble. Also, still has it's original brakes and batteries, including the 12v lead acid battery.

Dave


I think Toyota has the CVT down.

[carcrazy]

Have a Honda Accord with a CVT transmission.....no issues but frankly I don't like it!

[limejudge69]

CVT transmissions are okay as long as you don’t beat on them and change the fluid and filter every 40-50k miles. My oldest daughter put 130k troublefree miles on a 2016 Jeep with CVT trans.

[mgarblik]

Honda has dabbled in selling other manufacturers stuff. In every case, it has not gone well. Think Strerling, Think Honda Passport. I just can't fathom what possible plus side there would be for Honda? And I used to work for Nissan. They haven't made a decent car in 20+ years. Be interesting to see how this all plays out. CVT's have improved a little but I just can't get used to the snowmobile feel of all of them. They all drive like there is something wrong with the transmission, but it may be just fine. Mazda may end up the lone Japanese manufacturer with a regular non CVT transmission. Some Toyota's as well but they are mixing CVT's into some models.

[chevymad]

Originally Posted by necdb3

B-man,

Knock wood but I bought my wife a 2016 Camry Hybrid new. It has 106k miles on it with a CVT and not a stitch of trouble. Also, still has it's original brakes and batteries, including the 12v lead acid battery.

Dave


I think Toyota has the CVT down.

Hybrids with CVT are different. They're a planetary gear setup with the gas engine driving one input, and the electric on another input. Varying the speed of the electric changes the ratio of the transmission. Not much to go wrong.

The non hybrids get the steel belt type cvt. I've had 2 honda's with them. They scare me, but i've had no trouble. It definitely doesn't feel too good under wot though.

[59safaricat]

Honda makes a great manual transmission but they never got their automatics above the "average" margin without a lot of fluid services (every 20K miles) like Toyota did. Toyota is about the only one that got CVT's down to a science. I have a coworker with a Prius that has over 400K miles on the original engine, CVT trans, and second battery pack at just under 300K. Still doesn't leak a drop of fluid anywhere.

[Mr_GTO]

Nissan makes one good car, the GTR. Everything else is garbage.

[69gp400]

i own a chevy silverado,ford fusion and ford escape and i will always buy american

[59safaricat]

Originally Posted by 69gp400

i own a chevy silverado,ford fusion and ford escape and i will always buy American

The whole "Buy American" nonsense ended more than 4 decades ago. It's just a badge backed with sketchy pro American advertisements. Buicks are practically CCP now.

Chevy Silverado: At least 62% of the parts for the Chevy Silverado are made in the U.S. or Canada.

Ford Fusion: In 2011, Consumer Reports reported that the Ford Fusion had 20% of its parts made in America.

Toyota Camry : At least 75% of the parts in a Toyota Camry are made in the United States, and the vehicle is assembled in Georgetown, Kentucky. This makes the Camry one of the most American-made cars, according to the Cars.com American-Made Index.

[Formulabruce]

Nissan been built in Tennessee for Decades.have owned 5 CVT. One failed under warranty but it was because of a "AOD" button.

[Cardo]

I think we're going to see a lot more mergers and consolidation in the automotive industry over the next decade. Development costs are through the roof, and so are the prices of new vehicles. The consumer is tapped out, and prices keep going up. Somethings got to give. I bought a 2021 Super Duty, and if I bought that same exact truck in a 2025 model year, it is $19,000 more. That's not sustainable for anyone. We've got Ford and Volkswagen working together, Ford and GM developing transmissions together, GM and Hyundai paired up, plus the whole Stelantis thing going on, plus Toyota owns a significant portion of both Mazda and Subaru. I think we're going to lose or combine 3 or 4 more manufacturers, and close a significant number of factories before it's all over with.

[OG68]

GM and Honda are working together with electric vehicles among other things. The Ultium platform is now shared between both corporations.

I bought my 2006 LT Silverado for 28K. Direct replacement cost is pushing 65K. I can rebuild the entire truck for a third of that price. Less if I don't paint it lol. But at 205,000 miles it's still running great.

[Heybuck]

I think Cardo’s response is right on the money. I doubt either Honda or Nissan could survive in today’s environment with the huge influx of Chinese cars entering (or are already here on), the market.
Both brands are struggling badly here in Australia and I understand also in Europe.
Saddens me as we have owned Hondas for 40 years and always gave superb reliability. We owned a 1988 Honda Legend for 24 years. Ran it to over 440k kilometers with no engine or transmission issues whatsoever and I know the guy who bought it is still using it as a daily country driver without issues. My wife now has a 2009 Murano TI with the CVT trans. She is a very light driver but I’m still getting the trans fluid changed every 25k kilometers. That cars ONLY fault has been the A/C clutch failed and it’s recently just had its 3rd battery installed.
I just can’t imagine a Chinese built car giving that service.
Ian

[besserspat]

Originally Posted by OG68

GM and Honda are working together with electric vehicles among other things. The Ultium platform is now shared between both corporations.

The Ultium platform is using pouch cells which is an old school type of battery ( the first type of cell when the leaf and volt were a thing.

GM will continue to use Ultium for the ongoing production cars but has pulled all of its investment out of thr Ultium pouch cell plants (over a billion) and re invested with LG chem prismatic type cell development, which is what Stellantis is using for their Charger and Wagoneer S. EV. Made in Michigan and soon Windsor Canada

Tesla is using cylindrical cells , ( looks like AA battery ), wich is what you find in a vaping accessory or in the usual chinese made trinket sold off Amazon. Making the battery hard to refurbish since Tesla have between 4000+ to 7000+ of those little lithium cells that can go bad and need to be diagnosed prior refurbishing.

Prismatic has about 34 cells in the battery ( rectangular , think of a energy brick or oldschool lunch box ) that can also be stacked for more power per volume. Making battery diagnostic and refurbishing a breeze. Its also safer and better insulated ( thermal management).


As for Honda vs Nissan. I have beem a supplier to both corporations for many years now ; Nissan / infiniti always been a problematic relationship, weird management, cliquey departments in which most of the employees are younger and cooler than anyone else ( so they think) and absolutely clueless about how the car industry functions... basically a bunch of marketing school grads with zero experience... they were my client already when they bought majority stakes in JATCO which makes the CVTs . Thats when their CVT evangelism started..

Bottom line any car of any brand can last 500k miles and 40 years, just have rust proof it, fix what breaks ( sometimes repeatedly), by the book preventive msintenance and not drive like a madman. Heck,some Pintos are still driving around...

Cars stop running because of neglect.

That said id take a Honda over a Nissan anyday of the week...

Probably a Honda motorcycle... lol

Peter