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Bought a new Robertshaw thermostat BRA-330-180 for my 66 GTO engine rebuild. Decided to test it before installing it. Suspended it in a pan of water and made sure it was not touching the pan anywhere. Watched the meat thermometer climb up to 160, then 170,then 180, but never saw anything on the thermostat move. Temp kept climbing to 210, but still no movement on thermostat. I’ve never done this test, so wasn’t really sure what to look for. I was looking down at side B as the temp climbed. Side A was facing the bottom of the pan so I could not see what was happening with it. Is this thermostat a dud, or is this a case of operator error? What should I be looking for to confirm it is opening at 180 degrees
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Need ro measure temperature at the same level as the stat, the temperature will vary by depth. I use a k type thermocouple for experiments like this. The rated temperature is where the stat will start to open, the bimetallic spring moves the plunger. You will see it when it moves.
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A 180 stat will start to open at about 183 and be fully open close a tad above 200.
I find it best to use a thermal gun and once the water starts to make small bubbles turn off the heat and remove the pot from the stove, then with the gun watch until the temp gets down to 205 and only then drop the stat in. It’s best also to do this test in a large volume of water so the temp drops slowly before you drop the stat in.
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I prefer the conventional spring-type stats, less of a chance to hang.
Not sure why they call that type 'high flow', seems to me it would flow less than the spring type. But may just be the way my brain works. Conventional spring type you certainly can see them open and close, with ease. .
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. 1970 GTO Judge Tribute Pro-Tour Project 535 IA2 http://forums.maxperformanceinc.com/...d.php?t=760624 1971 Trans Am 463, 315cfm E-head Sniper XFlow EFI, TKO600 extreme, 9", GW suspension, Baer brakes, pro tour car https://forums.maxperformanceinc.com...ght=procharger Theme Song: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7zKAS...ature=youtu.be |
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Had good luck with Superstats years ago.
Been doing NOS ones off eBay and very impressed. Years ago picked up a NOS AC Delco 170 for a corvette. When tested it cracked open at 167 and fully open by 185. When in use my gauge stays at 170ish around town and175ish On highway in the heat. Drops right back to 170 when back On side roads. Bought another as a spare for garage art. This is with a standard duty fan clutch!!! Gerry
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Get the stainless steel type from Napa, Much better Stat in my opinion. https://www.napacanada.com/en/p/THE1600025
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68 Firebird. IA2 block, 505 cu in, SD Performance E-head, Solid roller 3600 weight. Reid TH400 3:90 gear. 28" slick. Best so far 9.95@135 mph. 1.39 60 ft. 76 Trans am, TKX .81 o/d, 3.73 Moser rearend, 468 with KRE D-ports, Doug headers, 3" Exhaust 950 Quickfuel. Last edited by chuckies76ta; 05-22-2026 at 09:25 AM. |
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Those look nice. What temps are they offered in?
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. 1970 GTO Judge Tribute Pro-Tour Project 535 IA2 http://forums.maxperformanceinc.com/...d.php?t=760624 1971 Trans Am 463, 315cfm E-head Sniper XFlow EFI, TKO600 extreme, 9", GW suspension, Baer brakes, pro tour car https://forums.maxperformanceinc.com...ght=procharger Theme Song: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7zKAS...ature=youtu.be |
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I test all of mine s well - looking at side A is better to tell when it begins to open.
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Will Rivera '69 Firebird, 400/461, 290 Eddy D-Ports, HR 230/236, 4l80E, 8.5 Rear, 3.55 gears '69 LeMans Vert, XS 350, #47 heads, TH400, 10 Bolt 3.23 gears, work in progress ‘66 Lemans, 455, 310 KRE D-Ports, HR 236/245, TH400, GV OD, 12 bolt 3.73 gears - see it here: https://youtu.be/RP_s1wJKm_Y?si=K0NZxoTyaGcj8Dcb |
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My engineer dad would always test them in a pot of hot water when he thought that was the issue
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Skip Fix 1978 Trans Am original owner 10.99 @ 124 pump gas 455 E heads, NO Bird ever! 1981 Black SE Trans Am stockish 6X 400ci, turbo 301 on a stand 1965 GTO 4 barrel 3 speed project 2004 GTO Pulse Red stock motor computer tune [email protected] 1964 Impala SS 409/470ci 600 HP stroker project 1979 Camaro IAII Edelbrock head 500" 695 HP 10.33@132 3595lbs 1964 Corvette Coupe 327 4 speed |
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Dug out the original 195 unit that was in the engine previously to test it and get a better idea of how to recognize when it was opening. It still works fine and the opening and closing events were obvious. Bought the 180 Napa stainless steel version and tested it with my infrared thermometer instead of the meat thermometer used previously and it worked just fine. Tried the infrared on the Robertshaw a couple more times, but I swear I can’t detect that any movement occurs even up to 220 . Makes me very reluctant to use it, so I guess I now have another piece of garage wall art to hang up.
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Terry Hunt "He'd need 5 years in the fifth grade just to get an idiot certificate" Smokey Yunick re: Bill France Jr. |
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Last month, I changed my upper radiator hose when I noticed the thermostat looked strange in the housing. One of the thermostat tangs separated from its body. Fortunately, It stayed partially opened and I avoided overheating.
I tested all my old 180° and 195° thermostats for a replacement candidate. The old Robertshaw ones still worked great but the OEM style versions did not open even in a good boil. The 180° thermostats started opening at 160-170° while the 195° thermostats opened at 185-189°. Compare these measurements to the attached table. I was surprised that I had an original HRD stamped thermostat. It was one of the bad ones. |
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Yes, your right. Thanks for pointing that out. You can just barley see it stamped on the side of thermostat. I just went in garage and grabbed one of my old ones from Napa. Looks like they have change to different suppliers. Anything that was any good is gone.. Dam. These have been the ones I've always used. Made in USA. Just found this. MotoRad (Stant was acquired by MotoRad) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KCS95D9FOPY
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68 Firebird. IA2 block, 505 cu in, SD Performance E-head, Solid roller 3600 weight. Reid TH400 3:90 gear. 28" slick. Best so far 9.95@135 mph. 1.39 60 ft. 76 Trans am, TKX .81 o/d, 3.73 Moser rearend, 468 with KRE D-ports, Doug headers, 3" Exhaust 950 Quickfuel. Last edited by chuckies76ta; 05-24-2026 at 10:01 AM. |
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Shows this on Amazon. Made by Motorad. Says Stant in the Title. Shows USA on the Stat. Then is listed made in China. unreal.
https://www.amazon.ca/Stant-45356-Su...0&gad_source=1
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68 Firebird. IA2 block, 505 cu in, SD Performance E-head, Solid roller 3600 weight. Reid TH400 3:90 gear. 28" slick. Best so far 9.95@135 mph. 1.39 60 ft. 76 Trans am, TKX .81 o/d, 3.73 Moser rearend, 468 with KRE D-ports, Doug headers, 3" Exhaust 950 Quickfuel. |
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