[kingbuzzo]

https://www.autoblog.com/2023/04/20/...-police-video/

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[necdb3]

Originally Posted by kingbuzzo

https://www.autoblog.com/2023/04/20/...-police-video/

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I don't like the thought of something like that being in my garage. Once they light off, they're tough to put out. They relight themselves until the power is gone.

[scott70]

Great for family bbqs.

[kingbuzzo]

Jinkies, that guy is from here...sad story and lessons learned for sure

[HoovDaddy]

A recent good article about a long distance trip in a EV.

https://www.freep.com/story/money/ca...w/69795802007/

[Steve C.]

By a wide margin, California is the state with the most EV chargers in the U.S., so armed with the PlugShare app, Chevy’s my Chevrolet app, and Google Maps on my phone, I figured that locating charging stations would be the least of my issues.

It only took me a few hours to realize I was wrong.


Can you take a road trip in an electric vehicle?

https://roadtrippers.com/magazine/ca...ctric-vehicle/

5 Reasons Battery-Electric Vehicle Road Trip Range Stinks
https://www.torquenews.com/1083/5-re...range-possible




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[The Champ]

Question???

Your Snapper is 15 years old. Was the $459 price the price you paid 15 years ago? Or is that the price for a comparable unit today? Just wondering.

Regardless, I agree that buying an electric snow blower that takes 8 hours to recharge is not a viable option, no matter where you live. I would not have purchased an electric unit if I was staring at an 8 hour recharge after 45 minutes of run time.

To be honest, if I lived where I only got 30" of snow per year, I'd (even at 69 years old) probably just use a shovel. Even living here, I frequently don't bother with the snow blower and just use a shovel for the 1 to 4" snow falls. I like the exercise and I like having my driveway down to the bare concrete. As a kid, besides our own sidewalk and driveway, I used to shovel several of my older neighbors sidewalks and driveways for additional spending money. All I had was a shovel. This was in northern MN and at times I was shoveling 2+ feet of snow.

[misterp266]

Since we’ve digressed to talking about cordless tool instead of EVs, my biggest issue is having to stick to one brand unless you want to invest in multiple battery styles and chargers. I ended up with Ryobi which I’ve had good luck with for hand tools.
I still use gas for my push mower and my snow blower. Seems foolish to change. Been lucky with snow so far.

As for EVs, they have a place but I don’t understand making a truck, which is supposed to be a work vehicle, that is so limited. Take a few years and make it worth buying. The more they are pushed upon us, the more the pushback will be.

“Freedom of choice
Is what you got
Freedom of choice!
Then if you got it you don't want it
Seems to be the rule of thumb
Don't be tricked by what you see
You got two ways to go

I'll say it again in the land of the free
Use your freedom of choice
Freedom of choice“

Devo

[pont3]

Originally Posted by misterp266

Since we’ve digressed to talking about cordless tool instead of EVs, my biggest issue is having to stick to one brand unless you want to invest in multiple battery styles and chargers. I ended up with Ryobi which I’ve had good luck with for hand tools.
I still use gas for my push mower and my snow blower. Seems foolish to change. Been lucky with snow so far.

As for EVs, they have a place but I don’t understand making a truck, which is supposed to be a work vehicle, that is so limited. Take a few years and make it worth buying. The more they are pushed upon us, the more the pushback will be.

“Freedom of choice
Is what you got
Freedom of choice!
Then if you got it you don't want it
Seems to be the rule of thumb
Don't be tricked by what you see
You got two ways to go

I'll say it again in the land of the free
Use your freedom of choice
Freedom of choice“

Devo

And I'll say this again. The goal of the EVs was to purposefully create high priced vehicles so that the lesser people would eventually follow the TRENDS of the RICH folks. Remember when even the lowest earners aspired to own a Cadillac, or Lexus, or Mercedes?

These electric vehicle efforts will affect the climate not by ONE iota. But the TRENDS that were "hopefully" created by some new-fangled vehicle would drive people to WANT the latest creation.

I'm not a marketing expert, but I have studied marketing. The first thing you do is "create a need", then focus on convincing people on WHY they need this. In this particular case, it started out (falsely) as saving the planet. From there it evolved into boasting about how fast these flamethrowers accelerate, while at the same time ignoring the negative reports.

I haven't been inside any EV other than the Tesla Model 3, and I can tell you that if you were impressed with the interior of a 2002 Cavalier, then you will be impressed with that Tesla.

[Tom Vaught]

Back on EVs vs tools and other toys.

Originally Posted by pont3

And I'll say this again. The goal of the EVs was to purposefully create high priced vehicles so that the lesser people would eventually follow the TRENDS of the RICH folks. Remember when even the lowest earners aspired to own a Cadillac, or Lexus, or Mercedes?

In many small towns I have visited, it is exactly as you have posted as far as the "One-UP the Neighbors". Example: owning a Lexus in Emporia, Kansas.

A regular F-150 Lightning is $50,000+ these days.
Honestly, how many people can afford to purchase a $50,000 to $80,000
vehicle these days who have a regular job?

Ford quoted a price for the Electric vehicle initially at $39,974 to purchase
(May 2021). The commercial version is over $55,000 now.
They also have sold less than 20,000 vehicles.

Again I would not worry to much about EV vehicles in the next 15 years.

How many VOLTs did GM sell????

Tom V.

[scott70]

The price of a EV doesnt factor in to alot of peoples decisions on whether to own a EV or not. They dont want to buy one because they dont want one. I dont believe theres alot of people pining for a EV and the only thing holding them back is the price. Most people if they want a EV that they will go buy one. As far as EV trucks go there arent to many success stories when it comes to an actual real life working truck. Even the EV lovers admit that.

[kingbuzzo]

https://www.autoblog.com/2023/05/21/...the-ev-market/

[mgarblik]

Originally Posted by The Champ

Question???

Your Snapper is 15 years old. Was the $459 price the price you paid 15 years ago? Or is that the price for a comparable unit today? Just wondering.

Regardless, I agree that buying an electric snow blower that takes 8 hours to recharge is not a viable option, no matter where you live. I would not have purchased an electric unit if I was staring at an 8 hour recharge after 45 minutes of run time.

To be honest, if I lived where I only got 30" of snow per year, I'd (even at 69 years old) probably just use a shovel. Even living here, I frequently don't bother with the snow blower and just use a shovel for the 1 to 4" snow falls. I like the exercise and I like having my driveway down to the bare concrete. As a kid, besides our own sidewalk and driveway, I used to shovel several of my older neighbors sidewalks and driveways for additional spending money. All I had was a shovel. This was in northern MN and at times I was shoveling 2+ feet of snow.

Looks like Snapper and Simplicity may be out of the single stage snow thrower business. (Same Parent Company) A very similar Toro is currently $499.00. Here is a pic of the EGO electric. Sorry about the diversion, Back to topic.

[jhein]

I agree that the elimination of the ICEV will not be driven by consumers and a free market.

[nas t eh]

Originally Posted by jhein

I agree that the elimination of the ICEV will not be driven by consumers and a free market.

I agree

[mgarblik]

There needs to be a legitimate reason to buy an EV before there will be a serious market impact. It's really that simple. Engineers are working really hard to make them legitimate contenders with 130 year old combustion engine vehicles and they are making steady improvements. But in the case of the EV, it's even more complicated because they are dependent on that magic box on a wall, pole, or in a garage that's going to charge it. Around here in Southern Ohio, a new to the area retailer called Sheetz is building 15 new GASOLINE stations at their expense to fulfill the need of gasoline and diesel customers. Do you see private investment in the Trillions that need to be spent to rebuild the entire US electric grid to charge electric cars? I haven't. I think there will be significant push back when all of us are going to have to pay to charge our rich neighbor's electric cars and trucks. As Tom V has stated, this deal isn't going to happen overnight. IF it happens at all, it will be a decades long process. There will be plenty of bumps along that road as well. Tesla's burning to the ground on the highway, Ford halting production of the Lightning truck to address issues, year's long delays of delivering promised models, new start-up electric vehicle companies going bankrupt before producing a single car despite huge government incentives. This is just the beginning.

[scott70]

Originally Posted by mgarblik

There needs to be a legitimate reason to buy an EV before there will be a serious market impact. It's really that simple. Engineers are working really hard to make them legitimate contenders with 130 year old combustion engine vehicles and they are making steady improvements. But in the case of the EV, it's even more complicated because they are dependent on that magic box on a wall, pole, or in a garage that's going to charge it. Around here in Southern Ohio, a new to the area retailer called Sheetz is building 15 new GASOLINE stations at their expense to fulfill the need of gasoline and diesel customers. Do you see private investment in the Trillions that need to be spent to rebuild the entire US electric grid to charge electric cars? I haven't. I think there will be significant push back when all of us are going to have to pay to charge our rich neighbor's electric cars and trucks. As Tom V has stated, this deal isn't going to happen overnight. IF it happens at all, it will be a decades long process. There will be plenty of bumps along that road as well. Tesla's burning to the ground on the highway, Ford halting production of the Lightning truck to address issues, year's long delays of delivering promised models, new start-up electric vehicle companies going bankrupt before producing a single car despite huge government incentives. This is just the beginning.

Exactly. One thing I've been trying to say is you have to look at the whole big picture with EVs,,,take it all in. It ain't pretty.

[kingbuzzo]

https://www.autoblog.com/2023/08/07/...t-trunk-video/

[scott70]

https://www.foxbusiness.com/technolo...m-modern-times

[kingbuzzo]

Its a cleaner burn...lol