[GREATGTO]

Originally Posted by LiL Jack

It takes a village to build a cv1 car.

When will CV1s start progressing forward?

Where does the line start to drag it down the track?

I wasn't aware that you built your own engine, ported your own heads and built your own chassis. apparently it takes a village to build your car too. You're just a plumber remember?

As fast as your car is if nothing else we know the people in your village know how to take all the money from the village idiot.

[mjm421]

Originally Posted by GREATGTO

I wasn't aware that you built your own engine, ported your own heads and built your own chassis. apparently it takes a village to build your car too. You're just a plumber remember?

As fast as your car is if nothing else we know the people in your village know how to take all the money from the village idiot.

Now that had to smart a little bit!

[LiL Jack]

Originally Posted by mjm421

Now that had to smart a little bit!

No it didn't, coming from a person who wears clown shoes and a red nose to work.

[mjm421]

Originally Posted by LiL Jack

No it didn't, coming from a person who wears clown shoes and a red nose to work.

Point taken!

[LiL Jack]

Originally Posted by GREATGTO

I wasn't aware that you built your own engine, ported your own heads and built your own chassis. apparently it takes a village to build your car too. You're just a plumber remember?

As fast as your car is if nothing else we know the people in your village know how to take all the money from the village idiot.

So when do you want to get dragged down the track?

[Jeff Kinsler]

Originally Posted by LiL Jack

Where does the line start to drag it down the track?

[Tom Vaught]

DaftGTO, I have known John Marcella for a long time. Just because John and I disagree on some things does not mean that I do not also recognize his achievements.

You on the other hand have no achievements. None, PERIOD.

Go away little boy, you bring NOTHING to this forum in the way of knowledge.

Tom Vaught

[Tom Vaught]

MAYBE, Mike, but odds are low. Brake Issues and the Driveshaft too short according to his last couple of posts.

Why do I need a chinese calculator for a parking meter, Jim? Over on the east side (Grosse Pointe area) the meters typically have a bag over them and free parking.

That being said, remember the first blow was thrown by the followers from your camp.
I actually was hoping that your head would take Pontiac racers to the next level. It did with the DCI/All Pontiac/Cerelli Tiger head, the KRE/SD head, and the Butler/Edelbrock head. Sad really.

Suggestion, take your "little boy" into the bathroom, wash his mouth out with soap, tell him to keep his mouth shut, and then "get her done" on the product line and the Norwalk race for next year.

Tom Vaught

[mjm421]

Originally Posted by Tom Vaught

MAYBE, Mike, but odds are low. Brake Issues and the Driveshaft too short according to his last couple of posts.

Why do I need a chinese calculator for a parking meter, Jim? Over on the east side (Grosse Pointe area) the meters typically have a bag over them and free parking.

That being said, remember the first blow was thrown by the followers from your camp.
I actually was hoping that your head would take Pontiac racers to the next level. It did with the DCI/All Pontiac/Cerelli Tiger head, the KRE/SD head, and the Butler/Edelbrock head. Sad really.

Suggestion, take your "little boy" into the bathroom, wash his mouth out with soap, tell him to keep his mouth shut, and then "get her done" on the product line and the Norwalk race for next year.

Tom Vaught

With all due respect Tom everyone except Ken DID go to the next level. He did also over his old set up, but ultimately found a better combo for his application. I, like you cringe when I see the names on some of the posts on BOTH sides because you know it's going to be B.S. Remove all the personalties, the fact of the matter is, the cylinder head WILL work.

[Tom Vaught]

Originally Posted by mjm421

With all due respect Tom everyone except Ken DID go to the next level. He did also over his old set up, but ultimately found a better combo for his application. I, like you cringe when I see the names on some of the posts on BOTH sides because you know it's going to be B.S. Remove all the personalities, the fact of the matter is, the cylinder head WILL work.

The personalities, make each person, individual, recognizable, respected or shown no respect. Jim picked his salesmen for this race section, either by choice or default.

A few more salesmen like you and a few less like "daftgto" would take take Jim a long way farther with his program, in my thinking.

Robin is also an example of a successful program. Means little if your fighter never shows up at the fight. Or makes a poor showing.

These are all opinions from a guy sitting in the seats. But I have seen a lot of fights and can judge things pretty well for being senile.

Tom Vaught

[The Mighty T/A]

Originally Posted by Tom Vaught

Robin is also an example of a successful program. Means little if your fighter never shows up at the fight. Or makes a poor showing.

These are all opinions from a guy sitting in the seats. But I have seen a lot of fights and can judge things pretty well for being senile.

Tom Vaught

I am not sure what you are trying to say so give me some clarification? Are you saying I don't show and make poor performances?? You have seen a map? Should I be expected to tow 2,000 miles for 38 hours for one race that "might" happen? I am proud of Lil Jack and respect what he has done, i know the efforts required but this statement baffles me.

- 2 years ago we made the tow (this is not meant to poke Lil Jack, it's just how the day went and I've been on the other side enough to know what it can be like) and ran some 8.40 times @ over 168 in BRUTAL heat and humidity skating the tires well into second. Several tenths and by memory 8 mph faster than Jack. Admittedly, because we race at night and this isn't my day job I couldn't figure out how to put the power down on a sun beaten hot slick track and most of our passes were aborted. If that is what you mean by performance when i show than I guess you can bust my balls!

- I am also quite certain we were the only car there faster than high 9's that drove to all the exhibition events, drove to the start and from the shutdown lanes, never put a battery charger on except to crank the car for valve settings and run the fans after passes. The only one with big fans and an alternator to run them. We could have changed the tires and driven to town for a burger!

- 2005 we put down an 8.61@161 on unleaded 93 octane fuel in front of the whole world dispatching a host of bigger money, professionally built non-Pontiac cars with this pile we built all by ourselves in my home garage. Since then, until recently, our Top Dog status was as close to undisputed as you could get!

- All of our tracks have been closed for 9 months and may not open for some time to come.

So maybe ease up on the rhetoric (words intended to make a point) and give a brother a break! All things come back around but don't throw me under the bus because you have a beef.

Off to church to pray for patience ;-). See you later!

[Tom Vaught]

Originally Posted by The Mighty T/A

- I am not sure what you are trying to say so give me some clarification? Are you saying I don't show and make poor performances?? You have seen a map? Should I be expected to tow 2,000 miles for 38 hours for one race that "might" happen? I am proud of Lil Jack and respect what he has done, i know the efforts required but this statement baffles me.

1) I realize that it is a long drive for you Robin. Also know that Bill Takanabe and Old Man Taylor, Pete McCarthy, and others have towed from the Southern California area to Norwalk. Some of them several times. I know that gas is higher vs in the days when they made the trips. Not expecting anything from you. The other "similar headed guys" in your camp throw the east coast air deal around a lot. They also apparently consider you to be the "flag bearer" for the best performance from their head design. All this is true in my mind. You have set the benchmark for the head mentioned above. I guess people want to see a fast head of the design you are using at Norwalk to battle it out with the ECM Guys. So the only issue is when you can't come. Not expected to tow 2,000 miles but a lot of your camp would like for you to show I am sure. That is the only point, no shows their hero can't defend them in the internet vs track battle. What a bunch of bs that deal is.

Originally Posted by The Mighty T/A

- 2 years ago we made the tow (this is not meant to poke Lil Jack, it's just how the day went and I've been on the other side enough to know what it can be like) and ran some 8.40 times @ over 168 in BRUTAL heat and humidity skating the tires well into second. Several tenths and by memory 8 mph faster than Jack. Admittedly, because we race at night and this isn't my day job I couldn't figure out how to put the power down on a sun beaten hot slick track and most of our passes were aborted. If that is what you mean by performance when i show than I guess you can bust my balls!

At the time you were running 8.40s (at Norwalk in the heat) and agree that Jack was slower by several tenths. Running at night at a track like US-131 might have got you back to your times out west. US-131 ran for years at years at night. I saw Garlets set the record for 250 mph with his rail at 2:30 am in the morning, lol!

But NOW Jack has picked up his game and has run a 7 second time. 4 tenths faster than your Norwalk time so people, as I said before, want their Flag Bearer, to go 7.70s or quicker at Norwalk. But the Flag Bearer does not make the trip. So not busting your balls so much as responding to the other camp that wishful thinking for some 7.70s from Robin at Norwalk is not going to happen. So you are out west with your program doing your thing and the other camp would like for you to be at Norwalk to defend their head. I say get a bunch of those guys together (including the head guy) and have them sponsor your trip out next year. You take the time and they pay for everything else. If they want you to be their Mule, put up the money. That is my opinion on the deal. Otherwise the other guys are just internet bantering.

Originally Posted by The Mighty T/A

- I am also quite certain we were the only car there faster than high 9's that drove to all the exhibition events, drove to the start and from the shutdown lanes, never put a battery charger on except to crank the car for valve settings and run the fans after passes. The only one with big fans and an alternator to run them. We could have changed the tires and driven to town for a burger!

What you are describing, Robin, is the whole package (not just a specific head design).
You have your whole deal scienced out. I saw the same in 1998 when the Keens were required to complete a 30 mile drive (in the early Super Street event days) and then run at the track. They could do that drive and still run high 7s at the time with their 347 cid supercharged Mustang. They could also "bracket race" their car (to with-in a few thousandths every pass) and could drive it on the street for extended periods of time so I believe every word you have posted there.

Originally Posted by The Mighty T/A

- 2005 we put down an 8.61@161 on unleaded 93 octane fuel in front of the whole world dispatching a host of bigger money, professionally built non-Pontiac cars with this pile we built all by ourselves in my home garage. Since then, until recently, our Top Dog status was as close to undisputed as you could get!

Never said that you were not the TOP DOG of the alternative head Guys. That deal is obvious. Again your boys need to step up with some money to get you to Norwalk where your performance achievements can be appreciated at the Ames National Event in Aug.
Your engine is set up to run in heat, so that should not be a big deal if it is hot at Norwalk. Same deal for the altitude difference. So the only issue I am hearing is a bit of tuning for daytime Norwalk track conditions to run some quick 7 second times. And of course getting you and the car here.

Originally Posted by The Mighty T/A

- - All of our tracks have been closed for 9 months and may not open for some time to come.

So maybe ease up on the rhetoric (words intended to make a point) and give a brother a break! All things come back around but don't throw me under the bus because you have a beef.

Off to church to pray for patience ;-). See you later!

Never had a beef with you personally. Beef (if any) is with the Internet Racers on PY, (I am not a racer PERIOD presently, may never be now that I am old and senile according to some) I just ask questions that the alternative head boys have a hard time answering something.

So again, I apologize for the appearance of throwing you under the bus. Was not my intent. Beef was with the Internet boys waving the "IF ROBIN" bs around when it comes to the ECM crews yearly match racing talk. Granddad used to say, "If the Dog hadn't stopped, he would have caught the rabbit too" Sure you have heard that one at some point in your life.

So what do you think your package could put down for et and mph on a proper track in good heat conditions on August 3, 2013, Robin?

Tom Vaught

Hope when you got back from church you said a prayer for me too. I could use a few with all the bs going on in my life the last two years.

[David Holmberg]

MJM421, you've done as much or more as anyone to associate positive performance and respectability with the CV1's.
Robin set a mark but has been too busy to actively run the car. Dick will I'm sure when he's reached his goals with the current motor. We have many racers with current builds going on and that is unfortunate. Bankbook will raise the bar once his is finished.

99% of the people associated with the CV1's are good, stand up people, but that 1% always shines the bad light.

Good luck at Norwalk, I hope to make it up there this year.

[Rusty4cyl]

Not everyone went to the next level. I should have had John M work his magic on my CV-1.

[Jeff Kinsler]

Originally Posted by Rusty4cyl

Not everyone went to the next level. I should have had John M work his magic on my CV-1.

oh damn!!!!

what ya sayin??

[bad69bird]

Originally Posted by David Holmberg

MJM421, you've done as much or more as anyone to associate positive performance and respectability with the CV1's.
Robin set a mark but has been too busy to actively run the car. Dick will I'm sure when he's reached his goals with the current motor. We have many racers with current builds going on and that is unfortunate. Bankbook will raise the bar once his is finished.

99% of the people associated with the CV1's are good, stand up people, but that 1% always shines the bad light.

Good luck at Norwalk, I hope to make it up there this year.

Chit I haven't raced in a year and a half and I think I still have more track time than 99% of the CV-1 guys!

Originally Posted by Rusty4cyl

Not everyone went to the next level. I should have had John M work his magic on my CV-1.

What happened Rusty? I thought you were a satisfied customer (not being a smartass)?

[Bnick166]

I'm sure some will claim I'm just another "but hurt CV-1 crybaby". Nothing could be further from the truth. Race hard, be safe and have fun. Looks to be some FINE weather for the event.....really hope it hold true to the forcast. See ya' all on Friday!

[wreckmastr]

Originally Posted by Bnick166

I'm sure some will claim I'm just another "but hurt CV-1 crybaby". Nothing could be further from the truth. Race hard, be safe and have fun. Looks to be some FINE weather for the event.....really hope it hold true to the forcast. See ya' all on Friday!

Dont take any of the BS around here serious. I could care less what heads you have. (I mean hell Brian has CV1's) So it doesnt mean squat. If you happen see to our pit be sure to stop in and BS with us please.

[Jeff Kinsler]

Originally Posted by wreckmastr

Dont take any of the BS around here serious. I could care less what heads you have. (I mean hell Brian has CV1's) So it doesnt mean squat. If you happen see to our pit be sure to stop in and BS with us please.

X2!!!

yep my pit BITCH has cv1s and I will be helping him get his stuff back together.

[mike leech]

You're taking a lot of this out of context, and personal. You shouldn't as you were not the one that stirred the pot. I'll keep an eye open for you and stop by if I get the chance. You do the same, anyone is welcome in my pit. You will find that the ecm boys will be friendly with ANYONE that stops by as well. relax and look forward to a good time.