[bird72]

Mr 61 you seem to explain it well and really hear the nuances that good stereo can do with analog. I know I'm in the bottom feeder grade of systems compared to the purist level but I am fine with that. But even on my cobbled together deal, I can hear some of what you discuss. I have tried to explain to people the piano that seems to come in at off right, kind of in back not front. If they have never heard something akin, or even close, the typical response involves glazed eyes, looks of scrutiny at my eyes, and quick changing of the subject. It probably is similar to the response when telling folk about your personal alien abduction experience. Or stint in prison. I also believe some people can't hear the same as others. I am color defiecient (blind). I see color so I have no idea what it is, except I can't identify many colors, I can wear clothes that clash, and most people with red hair I can't tell. But Hey!!! I see color, and I am here to tell you that painting you rave about, due to colors, sucks!!!!!!!!!! Kinda like that (analogy of the feeble).....

so 61, if you haven't tried it, spring your analog analysis on a stranger in the check out line and let us know the response

[61 389-348]

Originally Posted by bird72

Mr 61 you seem to explain it well and really hear the nuances that good stereo can do with analog. I know I'm in the bottom feeder grade of systems compared to the purist level but I am fine with that. But even on my cobbled together deal, I can hear some of what you discuss. I have tried to explain to people the piano that seems to come in at off right, kind of in back not front. If they have never heard something akin, or even close, the typical response involves glazed eyes, looks of scrutiny at my eyes, and quick changing of the subject. It probably is similar to the response when telling folk about your personal alien abduction experience. Or stint in prison. I also believe some people can't hear the same as others. I am color defiecient (blind). I see color so I have no idea what it is, except I can't identify many colors, I can wear clothes that clash, and most people with red hair I can't tell. But Hey!!! I see color, and I am here to tell you that painting you rave about, due to colors, sucks!!!!!!!!!! Kinda like that (analogy of the feeble).....

so 61, if you haven't tried it, spring your analog analysis on a stranger in the check out line and let us know the response

Cheaper, more current speakers will do it too, such as those $89 ea (when on sale) Pioneer FS52s. Speaker technology has come a very long ways over the last decade or so. What the high end could do 15 - 20 years ago, the technology and knowledge has filtered down to the cheaper stuff. In fact those super cheap Pioneers will image very well provided they're setup properly. What they sacrifice is the size of the sound stage, the ability to go real loud, bottom half octave, and some level of detail, but as far as neutrality and imaging with a smaller sound-stage goes for a smaller room, they're killer for the money spent.

What the big serious stuff of today does is gives you the wave front and size of the original acoustic instrument so you not only have the accurate, uncolored sound of a cello or baritone sax, etc., but you also have the three dimensional resonant body of that instrument or vocalist. Hard to explain, but with familiarity, spooky to hear.

"If they have never heard something akin, or even close, the typical response involves glazed eyes"

We sorta did something like that last night. Grandson came over to make dinner with me and brought two of his friends. Ricer, fart can Honduh driving Grandson tries real hard not to be interested, but one of his friends is getting curious about "vinyls" as he and they call it nowadays. He likes the crackly sound layered over the realism behind it. I told him the crackly, pops. bangs and clicks don't have to be part of it.

After dinner, I played the Fairfield Four that I linked above, and again, it was as it always is, with them wondering why they're not hearing anything at all coming 'out' of the speakers. One commented that they all (the vocalists) sound spread apart and that it sounded like it was way back about 20' versus anywhere near the plane where the speakers were. I showed them the youtube of them performing live, then we went back down to listen, and they started to get what this is all about ... well, guess what, they are all spread apart.

It's a completely new paradigm for them because they've never heard live acoustic music before .... just tweet tweet boom boom at 120 BPM with the license plate rattling of off their honduhs.

None of them and no one they know plays a musical instrument. Back in the day when I was kid, we almost all did. I played a tenor and baritone saxophone (that's why I'm a chapstick addict to this day). Same goes for music as it does with interest in the collector cars we love. It's mostly lost. I'm doing my wee little part to see that it isn't.

And regarding the 'crackly sound' the one kid professed to liking, I took an old early 50s mono Mercury I bought used and hadn't cleaned yet and played it cleaned with just the diskwasher brush. Yep, plenty of the noise he thought he would hear. This one needed some work and I had to clean it twice through the Okki Nokki, but once done the noise was almost gone with only a couple of light ticks on that side of the record.

So I'm sorta like a missionary with both the audio and the old cars to do my part in saving these hobbies for future generations.

[61 389-348]

https://youtu.be/d6RLI4YKMgQ

https://youtu.be/H7S_h0H_EpM

good short explanation

[61 389-348]

Barber shop

https://youtu.be/uRu3CZfteyY

Great, but using only one mic so you don't get the spaciality that you do with the Fairfield Four with the affect of being spread out the width of the stage because that's where they were.

I don't think I made much sense with that one.

[bird72]

As for Delaney and Bonnie, Duane Allman was on some of their recordings and albums. Also, check out "Motel shot". It is a cool album based on the jamming and songs played on the road in motel rooms on tour.

Also, the cover of On Tour with Eric Clapton.... the cover shot..... whose feet are sticking out of the car window? Anyone know? I do.

[Half-Inch Stud]

Questions like that are easy; The answer is always Jim Morrison

[Alvin]

Repost from the "How sweet it is " - James Taylor gets a #1 record after 47 years! Thread

Originally Posted by The Boss

Saw him on the Flag tour - great artist!

Wow! So did I in Greensboro in 1979 IIRC? Will have to break out the original LP of Flag...among other JT's...and give them a spin on the turntable.

[Verdoro 68]

You all have inspired me. Picked up this guy this week

[bird72]

Nice Verdoro!!!!!!!!! I always have had a sweet spot for Marantz....

[Alvin]

Originally Posted by Verdoro 68

You all have inspired me. Picked up this guy this week

Originally Posted by bird72

Nice Verdoro!!!!!!!!! I always have had a sweet spot for Marantz....

X's Dos here and TY for remind of another iconic audio brand - Marantz - excellent

[Alvin]

In case you missed it yesterday (vintage music artist related IMO) -

Joni Mitchell suffered aneurysm, can't speak

David Crosby video about Joni's condition http://youtu.be/XGfE3MiZS2g

[Alvin]

I'll have to break out some of Joni's LPs and play some of her songs, such as "Help Me"...

Few of her LP covers for those that have forgotten and newbs that may not have known (yet) her music below.

[richardk]

I have to admit I'm envious and maybe a little intimidated by all the high end systems and audiophile knowledge in this thread, but I feel like I ought to join in since I have been spending a lot more time lately listening to all my old albums.

First is my Thorens TD160 I bought in '74 when my brother moved into a dorm room at college and had the gall to take his turntable, that we both shared, with him. Though I still have my Pioneer SX828 receiver I also bought in '74, a few years ago it began distorting badly in the bass range, especially in the right channel so now I'm using a Pioneer Elite A/V receiver and playing through a pair of Klipsch KG3 speakers.

A modest system compared to some I've seen in this thread but I like it.

Now playing is REO Speedwagon's first album, my personal favorite of theirs. Next is a little Deep Purple, then Ten Years After. Later today, I don't know, maybe "Burgers" by Hot Tuna to go with jalapeno burgers on the grill.

[61 389-348]

Originally Posted by richardk

I have to admit I'm envious and maybe a little intimidated by all the high end systems and audiophile knowledge in this thread, but I feel like I ought to join in since I have been spending a lot more time lately listening to all my old albums.

First is my Thorens TD160 I bought in '74 when my brother moved into a dorm room at college and had the gall to take his turntable, that we both shared, with him. Though I still have my Pioneer SX828 receiver I also bought in '74, a few years ago it began distorting badly in the bass range, especially in the right channel so now I'm using a Pioneer Elite A/V receiver and playing through a pair of Klipsch KG3 speakers.

A modest system compared to some I've seen in this thread but I like it.

Now playing is REO Speedwagon's first album, my personal favorite of theirs. Next is a little Deep Purple, then Ten Years After. Later today, I don't know, maybe "Burgers" by Hot Tuna to go with jalapeno burgers on the grill.

The Ten Years After is still one of my favorite albums, but more for road music for windows down driving in a very old Pontiac.

"A modest system compared to some I've seen in this thread but I like it."

Still though, a very modest system, done right and SETUP CORRECTLY can be very musical.

[GRX]

Always thought this particular Led Zepp IV album really sparkled and years later I came to know who audio engineer George Peckham was, and the significance of this original "Porky/Pecko Duck" pressing. Also note the 6-sided star in the wizards lamp which was omitted from subsequent releases. Sadly this record has seen more than it's share of abuse though. The usual pops at the beginning of each song from dropping the needle. Even so it was great to reminisce reading along with the lyrics of Stairway to Heaven which are imprinted on the inner sleeve. </br> </br>

[bird72]

Originally Posted by GRX

Always thought this particular Led Zepp IV album really sparkled and years later I came to know who audio engineer George Peckham was, and the significance of this original "Porky/Pecko Duck" pressing. Also note the 6-sided star in the wizards lamp which was omitted from subsequent releases. </br> </br>

Is there a story behind the vanishing star? Interesting.... My copy has star, but no porky

[Alvin]

Originally Posted by GRX

Always thought this particular Led Zepp IV album really sparkled and years later I came to know who audio engineer George Peckham was, and the significance of this original "Porky/Pecko Duck" pressing. Also note the 6-sided star in the wizards lamp which was omitted from subsequent releases. Sadly this record has seen more than it's share of abuse though. The usual pops at the beginning of each song from dropping the needle. Even so it was great to reminisce reading along with the lyrics of Stairway to Heaven which are imprinted on the inner sleeve. </br> </br>

"LIB MR R DUCKS!"

So...grabbed one of our ZEP IV LPs and "LIB M R PECKO Ducks!"

Hard to grab a good pic as you weren't kidding...has both Pecko Duck inscription (below)

[Tom Hand]

Ten Years After! Rocks. Got it in my car and on computer.

[Verdoro 68]

Originally Posted by bird72

Nice Verdoro!!!!!!!!! I always have had a sweet spot for Marantz....

Originally Posted by Alvin

X's Dos here and TY for remind of another iconic audio brand - Marantz - excellent

I'm excited - it's been a long time coming. The motor spindle is bent on this one, so I'm waiting on a replacement. Got a new belt coming too.

I've been looking for an early-mid '70s receiver to complement my turntable. Thinking maybe a smaller Marantz (2210-2220) but even those are go for some pretty good coin. Some of the Sansuis look nice too. Any suggestions?

[screamingchief]

Originally Posted by Verdoro 68

I've been looking for an early-mid '70s receiver to complement my turntable. Thinking maybe a smaller Marantz (2210-2220) but even those are go for some pretty good coin. Some of the Sansuis look nice too. Any suggestions?

Dont overlook a vintage integrated amp/tuner combo as a possibility,lots of those out there as well.

Case in point,I picked up a really nice Kenwood KA-7300 integrated locally off CL a couple of weeks back,and not too much $$$ either,heck the D7 rack handles I bought off Ebay cost half of what I gave for the Integrated itself.

Was gonna pick up the matching KT-7300 tuner off Ebay as well,but that deal seems to have fallen apart for some reason or another.

Lots of other tuners out there though...

The pre-amp section of that KA-7300 is top notch,and internally it's well laid out,dual power supplies and some nice big power caps,only 65wpc but that's plenty with the right speakers and such.

Just thought I'd menton that FWIW,carry on guys.

Bret P.