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The Boss · 07-27-2015, 07:01 AM

Redline hood tach could have been an error made in a prior restoration - do we have any other examples of a 5500 RPM dash or hood tach?

Gtowolf · 07-27-2015, 10:42 AM

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Originally Posted by The Boss

Redline hood tach could have been an error made in a prior restoration - do we have any other examples of a 5500 RPM dash or hood tach?

I have heard that about the 5500 red line, my tach has never been out off the dash and is 5200 red line anyone have a pic off the 5500 red line tach??? Or it could have been the later cars had the 5500 tach in them???

Baron Von Zeppelin · 07-27-2015, 07:17 PM

I don't think anyone ever posted a picture or knowledge of a 5500 In-Dash.
These 5500 Hood Tachs have seemed to pop up here and there on some round port cars.

Folklore/Rumor is they were 68 Ram Air Only.
Whether this one is genuine or repo on Red Car #11 - idunno.

Think Steve Hoog was in on an older thread about the 5500 Tachs.
Probably somewhere in the Judge section , mangled inside a thread that started out as something else probably. Might be hard to find it.

iirc - they were made for 68-69 Sprint6/OHC Tachs.
The 67 Sprint/OHC were 6500 Hood Tachs.
There have been some 66-67 In-Dash units known and seen with the 6500.
But don't think anyone has shown any In-Dash 5500 from 68-69 Sprint or otherwise, although they may exist.
6cyl tach would need some recalibrating to work on V8.

another iirc - some of the better early repo's were made with 5500 for V8.

Gtowolf · 07-28-2015, 12:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Gtowolf

I have heard that about the 5500 red line, my tach has never been out off the dash and is 5200 red line anyone have a pic off the 5500 red line tach??? Or it could have been the later cars had the 5500 tach in them???

I am wrong I just went and looked that the darn thing it has a 5000 red line

Gtowolf · 07-28-2015, 12:39 AM

The rim code from my spare is ...there is a number 25 by the valve steam and a HG next to that I do believe it's original to the car because it still has the red line tire on the rim that was there in 76 when I bought the car, as it came with red lines and hub caps from factory. yes no maybe??

PurelyGTO68 · 07-27-2015, 10:20 PM

I spoke to a fellow deuce owner today and it didn't sound like he knew about the roll call so I pointed him to this forum. Hopefully he will find time to register and provide his BHC for the registry. He said he had his car for over 20 years and completed a full restoration last year. His car has a hood tach and I asked about the redline. He thought it was 5200 but he wasn't sure. Hopefully he can post here and add to the knowledge base on this issue.

He also spoke of another convertible RAII project that he recently became aware of so there may be more folks joining the party.

Gtowolf · 12:40 AM

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Originally Posted by PurelyGTO68

I spoke to a fellow deuce owner today and it didn't sound like he knew about the roll call so I pointed him to this forum. Hopefully he will find time to register and provide his BHC for the registry. He said he had his car for over 20 years and completed a full restoration last year. His car has a hood tach and I asked about the redline. He thought it was 5200 but he wasn't sure. Hopefully he can post here and add to the knowledge base on this issue.

He also spoke of another convertible RAII project that he recently became aware of so there may be more folks joining the party.

This is going sound stupid lol my tach red lines at 5000 just like my 66 4 speed Bonneville tach did so maybe the later II cars had a 5500 rpm tach..????

olgoat1 · 08-10-2015, 10:26 PM

Recently purchased 1968 RA II GTO from Wisconsin. This car went to Seltzer Pontiac on north side of Chicago, I purchased car from 2nd owner who said the previous owner would not tell him much about the car, just that he was the original owner and it had the original motor, but the motor in it was a early 68 WT motor, and the trans was an M20. Obviously this is hard to understand.
The man I purchased it from got it in 2005, ran the PHS and it was a RA II Verdoro Green, black vinyl roof, black interior, 4spd, 4.33, PS, PDB, AM radio but no antenna?, Rally IIs, console, remote mirror, ride and handling. Build date was 5/31/68. Body date 5D.

I have the correct WY motor and RA II stock heads and correct M21 and checked the axle code and it is ZL.

Would appreciate any information about the early history about this car if anyone from the Chicago area knows anything about it.

johnta1 · 08-11-2015, 07:42 AM

Welcome, olgoat1 !!!

Congrats on the new RA II.

PurelyGTO68 · 08-11-2015, 01:10 PM

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Originally Posted by olgoat1

Recently purchased 1968 RA II GTO from Wisconsin. This car went to Seltzer Pontiac on north side of Chicago, I purchased car from 2nd owner who said the previous owner would not tell him much about the car, just that he was the original owner and it had the original motor, but the motor in it was a early 68 WT motor, and the trans was an M20. Obviously this is hard to understand.
The man I purchased it from got it in 2005, ran the PHS and it was a RA II Verdoro Green, black vinyl roof, black interior, 4spd, 4.33, PS, PDB, AM radio but no antenna?, Rally IIs, console, remote mirror, ride and handling. Build date was 5/31/68. Body date 5D.

I have the correct WY motor and RA II stock heads and correct M21 and checked the axle code and it is ZL.

Would appreciate any information about the early history about this car if anyone from the Chicago area knows anything about it.

Welcome to the club! I recently joined as well and have found this site to have a ton of valuable info about these cars. I am still reading old threads with much interest.

I have the sister car to your vehicle. Invoice date May 27, 1968. Verdoro green, black interior, black folding top, 4 speed. It is a project right now....will be starting on it later this year.

olgoat1 · 08-25-2015, 10:17 PM

The WY motor I have is D248 cast date with a 751408 MU# and there is no serial #. The 2506 is ground and stamped. I have an M21 with a P8E03 code and wondered what codes have been seen in the RAII GTOs built around the 5/31/68 date? Thanks

The Boss · 10-04-2015, 08:51 AM

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Originally Posted by olgoat1

The WY motor I have is D248 cast date with a 751408 MU# and there is no serial #. The 2506 is ground and stamped. I have an M21 with a P8E03 code and wondered what codes have been seen in the RAII GTOs built around the 5/31/68 date? Thanks

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There are three AS-CAST 2506 dates that we have on record as of this date.

J177, L187 and C118 - the first two dates being exclusively for the Ram Air I motors but the C118 date was used for I's as well. As for the C118 blocks in II's, they have been found as late as an invoice date of 06/24 in the Baltimore built Alpine Blue MIA body however I also have records of an E278 Ground & Stamped WY block in a Framingham built car also invoiced on 06/24. I have records of an F148 Ground & Stamped WY as well.

Where the cutoff came for the ground & stamped cars I don't quite know however both my & Ross's 05C built Pontiac Cars will have C118 As-Cast blocks in them and based on what I've seen, yours should as well.

The Boss · 08-11-2015, 07:48 AM

Congratulations, welcome & I must say that's a spectacular 1st post!

The odds that the original owner spun a bearing or threw a rod in the original motor are very high when you take into consideration the M21 & the 4:33's out back. A lot can happen to a car in 45 years and these cars were built to be beaten on.

If you have a chance, e-mail me a pic of your WY stamp and EUN - I've been keeping track of them for years. Also, I'm guessing your car was a Pontiac Plant build? Is your block an As-Cast C118 2506 block or is it ground & stamped with the 2506? An early build like yours would have come with an as-cast block.

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The Boss · 10-05-2015, 06:58 AM

Thanks for the info - I may be wrong but I think that's the first AS-CAST 2506 SR block we've come across. Most that I've seen have been ground & stamped.

Being that it came out of the inventory used for both I's & II's I'm going to guess it was originally ordered for the replacement of a I engine blown with it's 4:33 gears but it also could have been assembled for inventory to be used on a II.

The second one from F179 is likely more valuable as a IV replacement than a II but could have been used in a I, II or IV car at any time. The original block from my RA I/Auto car was blown in 1976 according to the original owner so anything was possible.

Either of those would be good replacement blocks for the two new cars identified above.

70pontiaction · 10-05-2015, 01:14 PM

I think just about every SR 400 block I've run across up to this point was ground and stamped - some just the last digit, some a couple and some all digits. Both of my 1970 RAIV SR blocks have just the last digit ground and stamped, and I've seen a few with the entire 9799915 ground and stamped. And several factory 'numbers' 70 RAIV blocks I've seen had the last digit ground and stamped.

I wonder if this 'AS-CAST' SR block might have been sold over-the-counter as a 400 block with 4-bolt mains to someone who was just wanting to upgrade or purchase a high performance 400 in 1968? Or a drag-racer? Guess anything is possible.

I wasn't really into Pontiacs at that point (1968) as I was only in the 5th grade.....

A couple years later, I discovered loud, fast Pontiacs. And then it took me a few years to save enough money to start buying them.