[fastgto]

I find it very helpful that people post about problems they have had with companies selling goods that are not up to par. It does not matter if it is T.V.`s or Whatever.
What I find so retarded is when people get angry and make it personal. So what if certain people keep bringing the topic up. AGAIN so what. Most companies hate the internet for this reason. To make STUPID remarks that are PERSONAL is childish,
ignorant, stupid, and a whole host of other things. If you don`t agree with some comments say so, why do you have to make yourself look like a buffoon by making gomer comments about somebody personaly. We all have a brain { most of us } and can figure out for ourselves who are the buffoons. One thing to remember IF it was you that feels you got burned would you be happy. Note I said feels. I for one am glad that we are kept updated on what is happening and will draw my own conclusions without saying any gomer remarks about people. Some of the latest posts here are now about the past and not even related to this topic, posted by men and women. Posts about gays, vasoline, boots up the brown hole, big noses and so on, come on get a grip on reallity. Just makes the person saying personal things WORSE and WORSER {ya I know there is no such word as worser} than the people they so dearly think are wrong.

[johnta1]

What do you think John-still haven't explained how final machining caused the original complaints.

I don't know why everyone obsesses about this.
It has nothing to do with this court case.

With all of these innuendo's and obfuscation(look it up) is part of the reason this case is going still.
Do you think the reason wasn't to defame KRE or K&M?
All of these hundreds of posts, most by Baker, weren't to defame them?

Skip, I have no idea on the machining.
I didn't see it.

Some people could break an anvil, is that my problem or KRE's?

[johnta1]

What if i wasnt a member of PY, had built one and then lost a $10K engine...or the $20K car...

Who's to say you still won't?

That kind of analogy (also called 'ad hominem' , look it up) is wrong.

Why not say, don't spend any money, that way you won't lose it?

[Scott Roberts]

Originally Posted by johnta1

I don't know why everyone obsesses about this.
It has nothing to do with this court case.

With all of these innuendo's and obfuscation(look it up) is part of the reason this case is going still.
Do you think the reason wasn't to defame KRE or K&M?
All of these hundreds of posts, most by Baker, weren't to defame them?

Skip, I have no idea on the machining.
I didn't see it.

Some people could break an anvil, is that my problem or KRE's?

John, in order to defame someone, someone must purposely make up lies and spread them around. If I were to say Joe blow is cheating on his wife ( and he's not) just cause I wanted to cause him problems when in fact I had no proof or evidence of that.............. Well that would be Defamation. Now If I found Joe blow screwing my wife and told everyone he was cheating on his wife and he lost everything through a divorce and what not................. Thats not defamation.

[Brian Baker]

Originally Posted by johnta1

I don't know why everyone obsesses about this.
It has nothing to do with this court case.

Skip, I have no idea on the machining.
I didn't see it.

Some people could break an anvil, is that my problem or KRE's?

Actually John, it is part of the case. Read paragraphs 5 and 19 of the latest court decision:

http://www.sconet.state.oh.us/rod/do...-ohio-1922.pdf

Be patient, this page takes a bit to download.

[Pontirag]

No Polar pontiac. It is a slur It is an offence to one group and intended to be an offence to another. No way out of that. Its not about my tough or thick skin. Its about your slur.

Grave as an adjective,Stoopit. as in involving or resulting in serious consequences, likely to produce real harm or damage. Its not a location. its a description.

As for paying a dear price, Price as in loss of business and profit. Dont they teach English in our schools anymore?

who is twisting words around. You stated it and in a previous statement you wanted to put your foot in my azz. cant twist your way out of that. why dont you offend yet another group. see if that will work again.

The bottom line is that you stated it. it was a slur, its consistant with several other episodes of behaviour. You cannot even recognise, acknowlege or apologise for your action. Your sole diffense is to accuse and attack other individuals and communities. And to claime that after all of that you are the victim. I'll bet good money you went to a public school.

No opology forth comming? It was a slur. Fix that firmly in your mind....Brother. It was a slur.

any way, back to the ongoing saga of the Butter block ... Judge Judy and Wopner were in the dairy section trying to clean up the mess on isle 13 ....

[Scott Roberts]

Originally Posted by johnta1

I don't know why everyone obsesses about this.
It has nothing to do with this court case.

With all of these innuendo's and obfuscation(look it up) is part of the reason this case is going still.
Do you think the reason wasn't to defame KRE or K&M?
All of these hundreds of posts, most by Baker, weren't to defame them?

Skip, I have no idea on the machining.
I didn't see it.

Some people could break an anvil, is that my problem or KRE's?

B.S.

[PONTIAC DUDE]

Originally Posted by Brian Baker

Actually John, it is part of the case. Read paragraphs 5 and 19 of the latest court decision:

http://www.sconet.state.oh.us/rod/do...-ohio-1922.pdf

Be patient, this page takes a bit to download.

Someone explain this to me in Laymans terms. I'm confused????? Thanks.

Paragraph 5: Kauffman Racing contacted Roberts, inquiring as to whom had undertaken the modifications of the engine block. Roberts admitted Central Virginia Machine had worked on the part. Kauffman Racing advised Roberts it would not buy back the engine block as the defects of which he complained were the result of modifications made subsequent to the sale and delivery of the part, and not by the manufacturer of the block itself.

So the complaint with the block was ?????????????????????

[Brian Baker]

Ken, that's why I said to read paragraph 19 along with paragraph 5.

[Region Warrior]

Originally Posted by johnta1

Who's to say you still won't?

That kind of analogy (also called 'ad hominem' , look it up) is wrong.

Why not say, don't spend any money, that way you won't lose it?

Sure i could.
But it would'nt be from the crank coming out the bottom of a defective block and driving over it.

[Pontirag]

Polar. You do grave and personal harm to your self and your cause. More than I could do to you.

Its more important to keep this thread viable so that others can be informed then it is for either of us to take center stage over side issues. I aplologies to every body on all sides of this issue for loosing sight of that greater goal. My personal offence is insignificant.

I hope that no further harm comes to PY for supporting this site. it is not my intention that harm should come to anybody But only as a precaution to what will inevitably happen if we are mislead from the more important goal and the grater good.


mean while back at the ranch, Judge Judy and Woepner..... Kickin some Dairy air .....

[Polar-Pontiac]

Originally Posted by Pontirag

Polar. You do grave and personal harm to your self and your cause. More than I could do to you.

Its more important to keep this thread viable so that others can be informed then it is for either of us to take center stage over side issues. I aplologies to every body on all sides of this issue for loosing sight of that greater goal. My personal offence is insignificant.

I hope that no further harm comes to PY for supporting this site. it is not my intention that harm should come to anybody But only as a precaution to what will inevitably happen if we are mislead from the more important goal and the grater good.


mean while back at the ranch, Judge Judy and Woepner..... Kickin some Dairy air .....

Bahhha Bahha Now you want to kick Dairy Farmers, can you please stay on track your threat to bring personal harm to the air..of farmers is uncalled for grow up.Well off to work

[Skip Fix]

" What do you think John-still haven't explained how final machining caused the original complaints.

I don't know why everyone obsesses about this.
It has nothing to do with this court case.

With all of these innuendo's and obfuscation(look it up) is part of the reason this case is going still.
Do you think the reason wasn't to defame KRE or K&M?
All of these hundreds of posts, most by Baker, weren't to defame them?

Skip, I have no idea on the machining.
I didn't see it. "

John in fact it does have something to do with THIS case, as was stated above. In this case KRE states the defects were were caused by the machine shop or the owner in the suit-not them or their foundry or their in house final machining. Correct-none of us actually miked the cam tunnel except the shop. Correct-none of us observed that sonic test on that block. Did KRE have all of this batch verified by an independent tester to say they were in specs and can produce that in legal discovery? Bet not.

John humor me since MULTIPLE blocks were Brinell tested as soft that that in fact was an issue. Humor me in that at least Steve C's block was one tested by a different company that certifies hardness- so let's say it was accurate and that any other blocks from the same pour at the foundry WILL be the same-soft. Steve's had one hole, the seal, incorrectly machined too large, and MAYBE other blocks could have other holes like cam tunnels or even bolt holes incorrect. KRE said it wasn't too large. Steve's block was also sonic checked at a different shop -too thin as advertised-so I'd bet the same core patterns were used for all of those in that batch. Humor me in the fact that OMT's block had something very suspicious of a crack beginning -and so other blocks could have other cracks and this one was recalled. I guess since you didn't see them either they didn't really happen either.

So we have one batch that multiple blocks had issues that are all similar(hardness,wall thickness,hole diameters). To deny one is defective is to say none were and everyone here is lying and there really wasn't a reason for a recall- basically what KRE is saying about the defects in this suit-not manufacturing all final machining related.

So then why the recall if they were all fine? I know you can't say why others do what they did, but must not be because there were any block issues.

In my profession we have a saying "if you hear hoofbeats you usually look for horses not zebras on this continent." Another one "if there is enough smoke there has to be a fire." There is smoke and hoofbeats here!

How many blocks have to be verified with the same issues to believe they were real problems and were finally recalled because they were? Different shops, different owners, same results.

[Pontirag]

clearly the machinst is to blame. he discovered the faults.

[DeWayne]

Originally Posted by Pontirag

Excuse me polar pontiac but your gay related slur is offensive like your threat of sexual assult in a previous post. I cant expect the moderators to lift a finger on my behalf. Wonder how much money PY is willing to loose because the moderators tolerate your slur. lets do the math. Loss of income from the Hispanic community, loss of qualified participants in this forum and now GOD only knows what will happen because the moderators allow you to slur a group who have done nothing to you.


PY will pay a very dear price for thier choice of moderators who allow you to slam the GAY Community. You are out of control and have gone too far.

Pontirag,,,,

I went to a public school.
I went to a public vo-tech for machine-tool.
I'm self taught auto mechanic, self taught diesel mechanic
Now I'm a self taught programmer for an insurance company

In the public school I made B's and C's mostly C's

The Insurance company wanted me to have a certification for programming. I attended Tulsa Community College and have a 4.0 GPA and attended the Honor's fast track with a 4.0.

So what do you mean when you say you attended public school ?

I know what you meant by that , I want you to type it all out !


Your rant clearly shows you didn't go to public school. What type of school did your daddy send you too ?

[Polar-Pontiac]

Pontirag,, what do you mean by that statement .... I'll bet good money you went to a public school.Please let everyone know what you meant with your derogatory statement on people who attended public school. There's nothing wrong with public school. There you go again, getting way off topic. Please stay focused and quit bashing machinists, farmers and PY moderators. This topic is about after market blocks.

[Scott Roberts]

Originally Posted by Polar-Pontiac

Pontirag,, what do you mean by that statement .... I'll bet good money you went to a public school.Please let everyone know what you meant with your derogatory statement on people who attended public school. There's nothing wrong with public school. There you go again, getting way off topic. Please stay focused and quit bashing machinists, farmers and PY moderators. This topic is about after market blocks.

We used to beatup private school kids for fun!

[Polar-Pontiac]

Originally Posted by Drunk'nInjun

We used to beatup private school kids for fun!

I never went to private school,my wife went to public school,I went to Catholic school in the 60's. How does you beating up kids have anything to do with topic....Oh and if you went to school with me, You be my little bitch.

[Scott Roberts]

Originally Posted by Polar-Pontiac

I never went to private school,my wife went to public school,I went to Catholic school in the 60's. How does you beating up kids have anything to do with topic....Oh and if you went to school with me, You be my little bitch.

What the hell is your deal? It was obvious from your post you went to PUBLIC SCHOOL. That was not a shot at you, It was a f-ing joke (sort of) regardless it wasn't aimed at you. You might try relaxing alittle!

[Tom Vaught]

Quote by Brian:

“Amy, how is this any different than your actions on this very board against Ray Cox following Larry Davis' death? Was it ok for you then because a fellow sister (Larry's widow) was getting taken advantage of financially? How is it your actions then were ok, but Scott's (and others) actions regarding REK are "nonsense"?”

Quote by Ray:

“Aledgedly Taken advantage Brian, Remember after Amy stired all that up Darcie came back on the board and said it she was wrong. so does that mean I can sue Amy?”


My Comments:
I don't know if you can sue her Ray, BUT, I do hope that you will accept my apology for not finding out about this “ she was wrong” Darcie deal until today. I did not post much for a while and must have missed that post by Darcie.

I remember when Amy called me up on the phone, told me all of these stories about how Darcie “was wronged” by you. Larry Davis was my friend (and your friend) and I was caught off-guard. Sounds like Amy owes you an apology too, Again, I hope you accept mine.

The thing is Brian, I have a excellent memory for comments people make. Part of the old training I guess. I seem to remember all kinds of trash talking about KRE going on behind the scenes when a certain fairly new engine in a 65 GTO blew up in Toledo, Ohio. Now those comments seem to be conveniently swept under the rug by the same individual.

Funny how that deal works. I may not be liked by some but I tell people what I think and when I find I am wrong I fix it ASAP.

Tom Vaught

I am done with this board for a while until I cool off. This news REALLY PI**es ME OFF.