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Over the years some folks have ask for in orders or mentioned on boards a GREEN release button (the actual med green color) when the actual color is the slight greenish turquoise color.
For the different GM divisions in the late 60's through early 70's each division still had a lot of autonomy, & each division sourced their own trunk release buttons. This was ESP true for '70 & 71 models. From decade after decade after decade of pulling & offering desirable parts & chasing specialty core parts, rescuing cars, dragging in partscars, & examining in collections many fine GM musclecars of the era, there are at least 5 different style small diameter trunk buttons. All used basically the same recessed center tip button. Buick : '70 model & have pulled several from '71's. Black housing, Red button... to me has been one of the tougher to find versions. Chevrolet: 1970, black housing, med green, have pulled near a dozen, all from Caprices & MonteCarlos. Have yet to pull an original one from a '70 or 71 Chevelle or Camaro but have examined highly detailed original cars with them. There were also over the counter Chevrolet accessory pkg's sold with this color of button, as I've owned & sold two such pkgs & have examined several more. Olds: the flat chrome plated rectangular plastic postage stamp size switches, embossed trunk release, black button. Though different design outer area, the black button is same size. Not an easy button to remove for the newbie in yards. Solved that problem in the mid 80's. PONTIAC : confirmed on many very original '70 Pontiacs, all body lines. Dk greenish turquoisish color, used up into mid 74 model year. Been pulling & stocking trunk release options of this style since 1982. Dairable options are one of the segments that I loaded up on decades ago when it was like a kid in a candy store. During major boneyard trips with tight time lines, often I just pulled the original switch, the clips, & either one piece or two piece trunk release in the back. On '71- mid 74 Pontiac big cars, normally just pulled the buttons & clips. The '71-76 big Pontiac trunk release is a very slow seller. In yard visits with time to burn, have pulled jumper harnesses & main line harnesses. "Corporate button" Small diameter yellow button (common as dirt). Was avail at local GM dealers forever. Included in many accessory pkg trunk release kits. National catalogue joints like Year1 offered these buttons for sale for over 20 years. Not used on original '67-72 A-body's, F-body's etc. Original use was mid '74 through at least '80 models. Eventually the larger diam yellow buttons began to go in every thing GM from the 80's-90's GM crusherbait years. The mystery button. Small diameter with black button. Outer round housing is chrome plated plastic. Same exact button as most above. First style GM electric trunk release button... the black long bubble style button that the outer hsg is threaded & requires jamb nuts or a cup shaped protective shroud type housing like used in '69 GP consoles. On several other late '60's GM, used w/o a shroud.
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Hmmm... https://forums.maxperformanceinc.com...d.php?t=727640
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thank you for the very clear answer!
I will remember to remove this from a "1970 only" part, to maybe an 'honourable mention' incase anyone asks about it AFTER reading the thread
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1970 Formula 400 Carousel Red paint on Black standard interior A no-engine, no-transmission, no-wheel option car. Quite likely one of few '70 Muncie three speed Formula 400's left. 1991 Grand Am: 14.4 @ 93.7mph (DA corrected) (retired DD, stock appearing) 2009 Cobalt SS: 13.9 @ 103mph (current DD; makes something north of 300hp & 350ft/lbs) |
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that last link was awesome! - it even gave a picture!
I have been slowly picking at an updated comprehensive list, and looking for already hosted images to link for the updated post; This item has been moved to 'honorable mention' status.
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1970 Formula 400 Carousel Red paint on Black standard interior A no-engine, no-transmission, no-wheel option car. Quite likely one of few '70 Muncie three speed Formula 400's left. 1991 Grand Am: 14.4 @ 93.7mph (DA corrected) (retired DD, stock appearing) 2009 Cobalt SS: 13.9 @ 103mph (current DD; makes something north of 300hp & 350ft/lbs) |
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None of the original greenish turquoise buttons that I have appear that blue.
Have the original dash assembly out of an Oct 69 Baltimore built GTO awaiting trip to Al Knoch. Its button is same shade as the original button in my HO T-37 Coupe built 14 months later. The latter is a 31 option car & the harness & button are the same that was in the car 33 years ago when it came up from Texas. Several years ago strategically cut up a rustfree April 71 Atlanta built GrandPrix. Had a bad frame from a prev front end wreck. It still has its original greenish turquoise trunk release button in the console box. After I pulled that GP's rebuilt YS engine, I had to jump the console mounted switch connection with a battery to pop the trunk. Back decades ago I hauled 9.6 Makita tools. a fully charged 9.6 Makita battery would normally pop a trunklid the same way.
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IIRC the change over most see is in more luxurious cars. That said, the new yellow button that showed up in those cars is bigger..
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Let's END the " Blue" " mystery " . The " blue" pic in the other thread posted by Greggggg is clearly a painted switch and clearly matches the blue paint on that section of dash that the green switch is in.
I am positive Gregg didn't paint that as his OCD would be acting up!! I can say from my experience that I never saw a Pontiac Dealer kit for a f body dated from 71 and up to have a Green button. This does Not conflict with OPH . We installed a bunch, and when we didn't have a F body kit, we used the Bigger yellow buttons from big car kits, in Firebirds. Yes they fit fine, just make a bigger hole. Ordered the release , used our in house black ground, and a standard fuse box power lead. The yellow small and large are far more common as OPH says. The release is inside the glove box for Valet reasons. Over the years many have sold open kits with miss matched parts and claim they are for a F body. Most are Not. Kits for Le Mans , Catalina, Bonney's etc were Much more common.
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Haven't gone back and reviewed the whole list,...but is the one year only Van Nuys built California emissions NA9 gas tank on there?
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Norwood built many Birds that were " exported" to California, with EEC . I assume they had the 3 hole gas tank too
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Here is a much delayed update, I have some points with "?" which require collaboration from you all to help me explain this further.
I will seperate the sections by making them seperate posts. Sheetmetal and/or panels:
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1970 Formula 400 Carousel Red paint on Black standard interior A no-engine, no-transmission, no-wheel option car. Quite likely one of few '70 Muncie three speed Formula 400's left. 1991 Grand Am: 14.4 @ 93.7mph (DA corrected) (retired DD, stock appearing) 2009 Cobalt SS: 13.9 @ 103mph (current DD; makes something north of 300hp & 350ft/lbs) |
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Exterior/trim:
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1970 Formula 400 Carousel Red paint on Black standard interior A no-engine, no-transmission, no-wheel option car. Quite likely one of few '70 Muncie three speed Formula 400's left. 1991 Grand Am: 14.4 @ 93.7mph (DA corrected) (retired DD, stock appearing) 2009 Cobalt SS: 13.9 @ 103mph (current DD; makes something north of 300hp & 350ft/lbs) |
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Interior:
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1970 Formula 400 Carousel Red paint on Black standard interior A no-engine, no-transmission, no-wheel option car. Quite likely one of few '70 Muncie three speed Formula 400's left. 1991 Grand Am: 14.4 @ 93.7mph (DA corrected) (retired DD, stock appearing) 2009 Cobalt SS: 13.9 @ 103mph (current DD; makes something north of 300hp & 350ft/lbs) |
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Underhood/engine/drivetrain:
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1970 Formula 400 Carousel Red paint on Black standard interior A no-engine, no-transmission, no-wheel option car. Quite likely one of few '70 Muncie three speed Formula 400's left. 1991 Grand Am: 14.4 @ 93.7mph (DA corrected) (retired DD, stock appearing) 2009 Cobalt SS: 13.9 @ 103mph (current DD; makes something north of 300hp & 350ft/lbs) |
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1970 & 1971-only parts:
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1970 Formula 400 Carousel Red paint on Black standard interior A no-engine, no-transmission, no-wheel option car. Quite likely one of few '70 Muncie three speed Formula 400's left. 1991 Grand Am: 14.4 @ 93.7mph (DA corrected) (retired DD, stock appearing) 2009 Cobalt SS: 13.9 @ 103mph (current DD; makes something north of 300hp & 350ft/lbs) |
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Honorable mention:
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I just noticed a typo in this post;
I have fixed it and for this post, it will be highlighted red: Honorable mention:
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1970 Formula 400 Carousel Red paint on Black standard interior A no-engine, no-transmission, no-wheel option car. Quite likely one of few '70 Muncie three speed Formula 400's left. 1991 Grand Am: 14.4 @ 93.7mph (DA corrected) (retired DD, stock appearing) 2009 Cobalt SS: 13.9 @ 103mph (current DD; makes something north of 300hp & 350ft/lbs) |
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1970 only paint/interior colors
Exterior: (no example at this time) exterior #10 'Polar white' ('69 & '71-'81 are #11 'Cameo white') exterior #25 'Bermuda blue' exterior #28 'Attol blue'/'Atoll blue' exterior #45 'Palisade green' (no example at this time) exterior #47 'Verdoro green' exterior #51 'Goldenrod yellow' (no example at this time) exterior #58 'Granada gold' exterior #63 'Palomino copper' exterior #65 'Carousel red' Interior (colour comparisons): vs interior #201/211 'bright (metallic) blue vs darker (non-metallic) blue used 1971+ (no example at this time) vs (no example at this time) interior #214 red vs toned down 'Sienna' used for 1971 Wheels 14x6" plain steel (std on base & Esprit w/E78-14 tire) = ‘AM’ 1970-1972 14x6" Rally II (optional on base & Esprit w/E78-14 tire) = ‘JO’ 1970-1972(?) 14x7" plain steel (std on Formula, optional on base or Esprit w/F78-14 or F70-14 tire) = ‘CL’ 14x7" Rally II (optional on all except TA w/F78-14 or F70-14 tire) = ‘JS’ 15x7" Rally II (optional on Formula; standard on Trans Am) = JW (1970 & early 1971) 400/4bbl numbers & codes - Final year of high compression; essentially a carryover from late 1969 mechanicals, with only casting number revisions. - All engines used 1969 style thermostat housings with 1970-only upper rad hoses. Alternator: #1100902 = w/o AC or rear window defogger #1100903 = w/ AC or rear window defogger #1100904 = w/ AC and rear window defogger Starter: #1108434 = 350 #1108435 = 400 w/o RA #1108436 = 400 w/RA http://www.wallaceracing.com/starter-numbers.htm Exhaust manifolds: L30/L65/L78 = 9796992(rh) / 9782810 or 480602 (lh) (Note: the lh manifold on full sized cars used a center exit; 9796155) L74 = 9799720 (rh) / 478140 (lh) L67 = 9799721 (rh) / 478141 (lh) Intake manifolds: L30/L65 = L78/L74 = 9799068 L67 = 9799084 Water pump: all = 9799124 Timing chain housing: all = 9796346 (Note: two font sizes of this casting have been observed) 400-4bbl engine/transmission combinations; (block stamped code) / (cylinder head casting number) / (block casting number) L78/auto = YS / 13 / 9799914 L78/manual = WT / 12 / 9799914 L74/auto = YZ / 12 / 9799914** L74/manaul = WS / 12 / 9799914** L67/auto = XP / 614 / 9799915* L67/manual = WW / 614 / 9799915* * = these started out as four bolt main '914 blocks, the end of the casting number was ground off, and re-stamped; This number essentially denoted these as four bolt main short blocks with forged pistons ('914 blocks were assembled with cast pistons). ** = These are all four bolt main blocks; Although PMD literature suggests that the '915 block was intended for RAIV engines, there are several documented RAIII engines being built with '915 blocks. I believe that the non-RAIV '915 blocks are the exception, and were done to keep up with demand during production. Four barrel carburetors: L78/auto = 7040264; c/w 2 port metal vacuum break L78/manual = 7040263; c/w 2 port metal vacuum break L74 & L67/auto = 7040270; c/w yellow/black single port plastic vacuum break L74 & L67/manual = 7040273; c/w yellow/black single port plastic vacuum break California L78/auto = 7040564; c/w 2 port metal vacuum break California L78/manual = 7040563; c/w 2 port metal vacuum break California L74 & L67/auto = 7040570; c/w yellow/black single port plastic vacuum break California L74 & L67/manual = 7040573; c/w yellow/black single port plastic vacuum break 400/4bbl distributors: L78/auto = 111 1148 L78/manual = 111 1176 L74/auto = 111 2009 L74/manual = 111 2024 L67/auto & manual = 111 2013 Gauge cluster assemblies ZA = base gauges ZD = base gauges w/optional clock ZE = rally gauges w/clock ZF = rally gauges w/tach & clock Last edited by unruhjonny; 02-15-2024 at 06:45 PM. |
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I will add, for 1970 only, The Lower "A" pillar was different than other years.
Most, if not all, have an added "Bump out" with a dimple to locate 2 Door switches. Some cars came with dual door switches. The reason is C2
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