Improvements to the new GTO

[carbking]

Mrgto - with all due respect, there is no need for me to read your thread, as I am quite capable (and have) read the Autoweek article.

You are certainly entitled to your opinion. Just because I disagree doesn't necessarily make me "so wrong it isn't even funny". And when lately has a GM competitor sold with the Mustang??? And why is the only GM vehicle to make the referenced list the Corvette in 7th place, when the Mustang is second? This is not my opinion, but others. Are all those who made up the survey "so wrong it isn't even funny"? Maybe you think the survey was taken in Dearborn???

By the way, my comments were meant toward outward appearance. The young people seem to like the Mustang, as do those of us my age; and that is one major reason it sells. Betcha GM would love for the Holden SS to sell as well!!!

Jon.

Good carburetion is fuelish hot air.

[GTO_2004]

[QUOTE]Betcha GM would love for the Holden SS to sell as well!!!
QUOTE]

whats this supposed to mean ? the Holden SS beats mustang sales, by such a huge margin it isn't even funny.

Australian RWD + American V8 - Now THAT'S what I call a "coalition".

[Mr_GTO]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by carbking:
Mrgto - with all due respect, there is no need for me to read your thread, as I am quite capable (and have) read the Autoweek article.

You are certainly entitled to your opinion. Just because I disagree doesn't necessarily make me "so wrong it isn't even funny". And when lately has a GM competitor sold with the Mustang??? And why is the only GM vehicle to make the referenced list the Corvette in 7th place, when the Mustang is second? This is not my opinion, but others. Are all those who made up the survey "so wrong it isn't even funny"? Maybe you think the survey was taken in Dearborn???

By the way, my comments were meant toward outward appearance. The young people seem to like the Mustang, as do those of us my age; and that is one major reason it sells. Betcha GM would love for the Holden SS to sell as well!!!

Jon.

Good carburetion is fuelish hot air.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


Again JON, what article are you refrencing? Do you have a link to it?

So you won't read what markting people said about the GTO and the direction pontiac is going with the it uh? No need to read the thread but you have read the article uh? Tell me what it says then.

Again, you said one thing and based on YOUR FACTS you are talking about a "Modern product" that is based off a 1978 FAIRMONT. That is NOT a correct statement. Sorry.

The last time a Camaro or Firebird outsold Mustang was in the mid 1990's, 1995 I think.

Jon, the reason it sells isn't because it is modern, it is because it is CHEAP. The interior is cheap, the build quality is cheap. The last of the F-bodies were not much better but they were better. Not to mention fleet sales of V6 cars(where the majority of Mustangs sales come from, because it ain't from the GT/Cobra sales) is where the numbers get artifically inflated.

And I hate to tell you, alot of young people are not buying V8 muscle cars. They are buying foreign cheap cars.

[Mr_GTO]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by carbking:
Mrgto - with all due respect, there is no need for me to read your thread, as I am quite capable (and have) read the Autoweek article.

You are certainly entitled to your opinion. Just because I disagree doesn't necessarily make me "so wrong it isn't even funny". And when lately has a GM competitor sold with the Mustang??? And why is the only GM vehicle to make the referenced list the Corvette in 7th place, when the Mustang is second? This is not my opinion, but others. Are all those who made up the survey "so wrong it isn't even funny"? Maybe you think the survey was taken in Dearborn???

By the way, my comments were meant toward outward appearance. The young people seem to like the Mustang, as do those of us my age; and that is one major reason it sells. Betcha GM would love for the Holden SS to sell as well!!!

Jon.

Good carburetion is fuelish hot air.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


Again JON, what article are you refrencing? Do you have a link to it?

So you won't read what markting people said about the GTO and the direction pontiac is going with the it uh? No need to read the thread but you have read the article uh? Tell me what it says then.

Again, you said one thing and based on YOUR FACTS you are talking about a "Modern product" that is based off a 1978 FAIRMONT. That is NOT a correct statement. Sorry.

The last time a Camaro or Firebird outsold Mustang was in the mid 1990's, 1995 I think.

Jon, the reason it sells isn't because it is modern, it is because it is CHEAP. The interior is cheap, the build quality is cheap. The last of the F-bodies were not much better but they were better. Not to mention fleet sales of V6 cars(where the majority of Mustangs sales come from, because it ain't from the GT/Cobra sales) is where the numbers get artifically inflated.

And I hate to tell you, alot of young people are not buying V8 muscle cars. They are buying foreign cheap cars.

[Mr_GTO]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by carbking:
Mrgto - with all due respect, there is no need for me to read your thread, as I am quite capable (and have) read the Autoweek article.

You are certainly entitled to your opinion. Just because I disagree doesn't necessarily make me "so wrong it isn't even funny". And when lately has a GM competitor sold with the Mustang??? And why is the only GM vehicle to make the referenced list the Corvette in 7th place, when the Mustang is second? This is not my opinion, but others. Are all those who made up the survey "so wrong it isn't even funny"? Maybe you think the survey was taken in Dearborn???

By the way, my comments were meant toward outward appearance. The young people seem to like the Mustang, as do those of us my age; and that is one major reason it sells. Betcha GM would love for the Holden SS to sell as well!!!

Jon.

Good carburetion is fuelish hot air.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


Again JON, what article are you refrencing? Do you have a link to it?

So you won't read what markting people said about the GTO and the direction pontiac is going with the it uh? No need to read the thread but you have read the article uh? Tell me what it says then.

Again, you said one thing and based on YOUR FACTS you are talking about a "Modern product" that is based off a 1978 FAIRMONT. That is NOT a correct statement. Sorry.

The last time a Camaro or Firebird outsold Mustang was in the mid 1990's, 1995 I think.

Jon, the reason it sells isn't because it is modern, it is because it is CHEAP. The interior is cheap, the build quality is cheap. The last of the F-bodies were not much better but they were better. Not to mention fleet sales of V6 cars(where the majority of Mustangs sales come from, because it ain't from the GT/Cobra sales) is where the numbers get artifically inflated.

And I hate to tell you, alot of young people are not buying V8 muscle cars. They are buying foreign cheap cars.

[Mr_GTO]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by carbking:
Mrgto - with all due respect, there is no need for me to read your thread, as I am quite capable (and have) read the Autoweek article.

You are certainly entitled to your opinion. Just because I disagree doesn't necessarily make me "so wrong it isn't even funny". And when lately has a GM competitor sold with the Mustang??? And why is the only GM vehicle to make the referenced list the Corvette in 7th place, when the Mustang is second? This is not my opinion, but others. Are all those who made up the survey "so wrong it isn't even funny"? Maybe you think the survey was taken in Dearborn???

By the way, my comments were meant toward outward appearance. The young people seem to like the Mustang, as do those of us my age; and that is one major reason it sells. Betcha GM would love for the Holden SS to sell as well!!!

Jon.

Good carburetion is fuelish hot air.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


Again JON, what article are you refrencing? Do you have a link to it?

So you won't read what markting people said about the GTO and the direction pontiac is going with the it uh? No need to read the thread but you have read the article uh? Tell me what it says then.

Again, you said one thing and based on YOUR FACTS you are talking about a "Modern product" that is based off a 1978 FAIRMONT. That is NOT a correct statement. Sorry.

The last time a Camaro or Firebird outsold Mustang was in the mid 1990's, 1995 I think.

Jon, the reason it sells isn't because it is modern, it is because it is CHEAP. The interior is cheap, the build quality is cheap. The last of the F-bodies were not much better but they were better. Not to mention fleet sales of V6 cars(where the majority of Mustangs sales come from, because it ain't from the GT/Cobra sales) is where the numbers get artifically inflated.

And I hate to tell you, alot of young people are not buying V8 muscle cars. They are buying foreign cheap cars.

[Mr_GTO]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by carbking:
Mrgto - with all due respect, there is no need for me to read your thread, as I am quite capable (and have) read the Autoweek article.

You are certainly entitled to your opinion. Just because I disagree doesn't necessarily make me "so wrong it isn't even funny". And when lately has a GM competitor sold with the Mustang??? And why is the only GM vehicle to make the referenced list the Corvette in 7th place, when the Mustang is second? This is not my opinion, but others. Are all those who made up the survey "so wrong it isn't even funny"? Maybe you think the survey was taken in Dearborn???

By the way, my comments were meant toward outward appearance. The young people seem to like the Mustang, as do those of us my age; and that is one major reason it sells. Betcha GM would love for the Holden SS to sell as well!!!

Jon.

Good carburetion is fuelish hot air.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


Again JON, what article are you refrencing? Do you have a link to it?

So you won't read what markting people said about the GTO and the direction pontiac is going with the it uh? No need to read the thread but you have read the article uh? Tell me what it says then.

Again, you said one thing and based on YOUR FACTS you are talking about a "Modern product" that is based off a 1978 FAIRMONT. That is NOT a correct statement. Sorry.

The last time a Camaro or Firebird outsold Mustang was in the mid 1990's, 1995 I think.

Jon, the reason it sells isn't because it is modern, it is because it is CHEAP. The interior is cheap, the build quality is cheap. The last of the F-bodies were not much better but they were better. Not to mention fleet sales of V6 cars(where the majority of Mustangs sales come from, because it ain't from the GT/Cobra sales) is where the numbers get artifically inflated.

And I hate to tell you, alot of young people are not buying V8 muscle cars. They are buying foreign cheap cars.

[Mr_GTO]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by carbking:
Mrgto - with all due respect, there is no need for me to read your thread, as I am quite capable (and have) read the Autoweek article.

You are certainly entitled to your opinion. Just because I disagree doesn't necessarily make me "so wrong it isn't even funny". And when lately has a GM competitor sold with the Mustang??? And why is the only GM vehicle to make the referenced list the Corvette in 7th place, when the Mustang is second? This is not my opinion, but others. Are all those who made up the survey "so wrong it isn't even funny"? Maybe you think the survey was taken in Dearborn???

By the way, my comments were meant toward outward appearance. The young people seem to like the Mustang, as do those of us my age; and that is one major reason it sells. Betcha GM would love for the Holden SS to sell as well!!!

Jon.

Good carburetion is fuelish hot air.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


Again JON, what article are you refrencing? Do you have a link to it?

So you won't read what markting people said about the GTO and the direction pontiac is going with the it uh? No need to read the thread but you have read the article uh? Tell me what it says then.

Again, you said one thing and based on YOUR FACTS you are talking about a "Modern product" that is based off a 1978 FAIRMONT. That is NOT a correct statement. Sorry.

The last time a Camaro or Firebird outsold Mustang was in the mid 1990's, 1995 I think.

Jon, the reason it sells isn't because it is modern, it is because it is CHEAP. The interior is cheap, the build quality is cheap. The last of the F-bodies were not much better but they were better. Not to mention fleet sales of V6 cars(where the majority of Mustangs sales come from, because it ain't from the GT/Cobra sales) is where the numbers get artifically inflated.

And I hate to tell you, alot of young people are not buying V8 muscle cars. They are buying foreign cheap cars.

[Mr_GTO]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by carbking:
Mrgto - with all due respect, there is no need for me to read your thread, as I am quite capable (and have) read the Autoweek article.

You are certainly entitled to your opinion. Just because I disagree doesn't necessarily make me "so wrong it isn't even funny". And when lately has a GM competitor sold with the Mustang??? And why is the only GM vehicle to make the referenced list the Corvette in 7th place, when the Mustang is second? This is not my opinion, but others. Are all those who made up the survey "so wrong it isn't even funny"? Maybe you think the survey was taken in Dearborn???

By the way, my comments were meant toward outward appearance. The young people seem to like the Mustang, as do those of us my age; and that is one major reason it sells. Betcha GM would love for the Holden SS to sell as well!!!

Jon.

Good carburetion is fuelish hot air.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Then how do you know which Autoweek article on the GTO I am talking about?

Jon, when you say MODERN PRODUCT, then I have to automatically assume that you don't know what you are talking about. Because the current Mustang is based off the same chasis as the 1978 Fairmont. That car was designed back in 1976 probably. That ain't modern hate to tell ya.

Again, WHICH LIST ARE YOU REFERENCING!!!??? Got a link for it?

Jon, mustang sells because of all the fleet sales every year to rental companies in the south, west coast and Hawaii. In fact I might be renting one when I go to Ft.Lauderdale in 8 days. If you want to say V8 sales, fine. The last time the F-body outsold the Mustang was in 1995 I believe.

And young people are not buying V8 powered cars. They are buying foreign 4cyl pocket rockets.

[KVman389]

I can respect your unwavering support of the Holden, and the obvious hours spent on research you've done. I can even accept your arguments against everyone who expresses a negative opinion about the car, (and in some cases facts). (Please don't ask me to go through the forum to point these out, as I don't have the time). However, to fill a page with the same post 7 times is really hard to understand. I know double, and sometimes triple posting happens. You like the car----cool, others don't-------cool. Look on the bright side, the car is here, it's a fact of life now, and you've won along with a few others. So have fun answering questions about when Honda started making GTO's.

If you find yourself in a hole, stop digging.

[carbking]

Mr gto - thanks for posting sufficient times that I could read this thread.

When I referred to "modern", I was referring to being made (and selling well) today.

If you wish to say I don't know what I am talking about because the current Mustang is based on a chassis from 1978, that is your right. However, using the same line of reasoning, your Holden is antiquated as it uses a wheel , and how long have they been around. Sounds like you also don't know what you are talking about!

As to your comment that the Mustang is cheap, and that's why it sells, why GM certainly has the same option! Maybe you might suggest GM cut the price of the Holden SS.

On another note, I find it very positive that NickV's dealer is having a party with the 2004 Holden as its star; but inviting enthusiasts with older Pontiacs to bring in the old cars. Here is a dealer who understands that brand loyalty begins at the corporate level. Since corporate brand loyalty on this issue is at best questionable, this dealer is trying to promote brand loyalty at the dealer level. Betcha he does well with these, as well as the rest of the line. I think he deserves a promotion!

Jon.

Good carburetion is fuelish hot air.