[shotgun]

Just following up.
I got the email with the pictures of the mounts from Doug's.Today raised the motor and pulled the mounts.
Guess what?,the pass side is about 3/16 lower then the ones Doug's shows,the driverside is 5/16 lower.I ordered the part #s that Doug's gave me and will compare them to the ones I removed today.
The mounts may not be "all" of the problem but they may be a big part of it.
I hope to recieve the new set of headers in a day or two,at that point we should have the final word.
My fingers are crossed.

[Larry Navarro]

Another "Icon of hot rodding" sells out.
Thank goodness for the independent PONTIAC ENTHUSIAST, who strives to create/market a quality product and stands behind it.
Your welcome.

[shotgun]

Ok,here is what is going on my end.
The rep suggested that the motor mounts may be worn or defective.
They found when they made the headers they had an intereferance problem that turned out to be the mount.They will be sending me picture and the numbers for the mounts that worked for them.
On my end,I will be checking the condition of my customers mounts.I will not pass judgement until I get the info from Doug's and can compare them to what is on the car.
I also asked to have another set of headers sent to me in case the mounts are not the issue.I would hate to tie my customers car(and my shop) up longer then needed.
They agreed to send another set,at no cost to me.They are supposed to be being shipped as I type this.
They seemed very interested in the results and said they will continue to double check the design for issues.
So far they(Doug's) has dealt with me in a positive manner.
Again I will reserve final judgement until after it is resolved.

[Lee]

FWIW, I've installed 2-sets of A-body O-port, 1-set of A-body D-port, and 1-set of F-body O-port Doug's headers. Of those 4, I did not have to hammer/dent/tweak any of them.

Lee

[Ron]

Nope!

[shotgun]

I just finished an install on a customers 70 GTO with coated Dougs that were purchased threw PY,no problems what so ever.
The Dougs went on easier then a Maddog install I just did also,but that was an F body so apples to oranges.
I also have 2 sets of Ron's Tri-ys for F bodies also.Did a test fit and they were great except slight interferance with the AFTERMARKET bell housing.They would have fit the stock one fine.
If you want to email me(threw the link below) I will take pictures of any area you want and send them to you.
Hope this helps.
You will need to post them ,I am still a computer dork and don't know how to post pictures.

[68lemans462]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by gearbanger:
They lost my sale too, that's six. I was teetering back and forth between Doug's and Tri-y's. So when the dyno info came out basically proving the tri-y's were equivalent if not better than the 4-tube headers, I jumped ship and got the tri-y's. They should be here in a week or two. I can't wait.

Ccass, we appreciate your dedication to Pontiacs. But don't get too mad about people bashing other companies. If someone is doing a search on "Doug's headers" they are going to see all the positives as well as the negatives, and they can make their own choice. I am glad I saw both of these posts, especially about the coating issues. I definitely don't want to have issues with coating that I paid an extra $175 to get.

Also, if Doug or whoever is pissed, then they can get on here and straighten things out, just like the guy from Barry Grant did recently. I think he pretty well reassured confidence in his company by spending a little time to address the concerns rather than chewing out the people who were slamming them in private. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

The tri-y's are made by Doug's headers...

[cujo]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">I know it's too late now but Ron tunnel port is about to get a run of tri-ys done for the a-body </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Pro-tour79, How does the performance of these Tri-y's compare to 4-tube style design? I do not see any lower mounting flanges on these Tri-Y's how do you guys connect these to the exhaust pipes? What is Ron getting for these headers? These Tri-Y's are supposed to give good clearance for the starter, oil filter, and good ground clearance, but how about the brake distribution block that is mounted on the DS inner frame rail on A-body cars? Is the bolt-up easier for these headers compared to the 4-tube style design?

[Ccass]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Darrell:
Thanks Cris, the problem is I only sent them one header (the bad one). The header is the final piece to me 2 year resto on my Judge. What should I do? I am scared I will be out all together if I start b#tching to them. (. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Since you only sent the one header and you probably have the other one already installed, PY will call them and get you a shipping reimbursement(both ways).

[GonzoF1]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Goin' Topless:
It's too bad Doug's customer service took a defensive stance. This could have been a golden opportunity to impress their core Pontiac market. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

... and you know what? It worked. After reading this story I WILL NOT be buying Doug's headers. Customer service is my number one reason for sending a company my business. I thought about it for a while, but no more. I'll be sending my money elsewhere.

[twooldgoats]

The Doug's headers fit perfectly on my '64 GTO racecar (with a stock frame). By raising the engine a few inches, I can even drop the passenger-side header in from the top! Even though I've had the engine out at least five times since I first got it running, I never dread the header install. It's a snap.

Jim

[shotgun]

Darrel,they shipped them Friday,a day or two from my post has them here today or tomorrow.
I did "mention" you were having a problem also

[meanolgoat]

Darrel- When I installed my Doug Headers on a 67 GTO, The Drivers Side was hitting the Cross-member. I called Dougs and told them what the problem was. I marked the area where the tube was hitting the cross-member and sent the header back to Dougs. They cut and re-welded the header, re-coated it and sent it back to me. fit perfect the second time, I still have the warrenty since they fixed the problem, and the coating was redone.

I would give dougs a call and send them the pictures you have. See if they are willing to fix the problem. It worked for me, but took a couple of weeks.

[Silver Judge]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Darrell:
I started the Judge yesterday and I must admit I have the meanist sounding car I ever heard. I have Pypes 3" X with the 3" Vtube mufflers and 2.5" tails. I think it may be to loud and I will expect to be ticketed. But this thing sounds mean mean mean!!! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Right on Darrel, I remember when my 3 " Pypes system was completely installed too, it sounds jut plain wicked....I immediately noticed the different sound and the extra bit of torque, I was roasting the BF Radials all over the place, other motorists were shocked and thinking WTF ?

[TUNNEL PORT]

As far as the coating goes. It states in the warranty from Dougs "This warranty does not apply to deterioration of plating, paint or any other coating."

For the rusty headers:

They don't coat them there. Its sent out & should have a warranty from the coater. I wonder if someone called if they would warranty it. Since it is a coating that is sprayed on just like paint then heat cured. If there was a problem with the coating, bad prep or surface rust just starting. Then its quite possible to get tinny pin holes or fish eyes in the sprayed coating. Just ask any body man. Then it would start to rust through.

For the recoat on the modified headers that did not fit:

This would definitely not even be a warranty issue. The coating was new undamaged or deteriorated in any way. Until they received it & cut & welded the header. There fore you sent them a header that cost X amount, you should get one back worth the same amount. It states in the warranty that "If the part is deemed inoperable due to defect, it will be repaired or replaced." I'd say one that was coated should be replaced with a coated set. If it was a bare or just painted set. It could be repaired to be acceptable. Since there would be no other costs to either party. Sounds like the wrong call was made in this instance.

I wonder how many guys here frequent CP & TAC that would or may in the future remind or link this to guys inquiring about Dougs on those sites. after all thats 1000's more customers they could lose over time. After all at the time I post this the counter shows 4193 people that have read this thread.

When other supliers get a negitive post like Jegs, Summit, Barry Grant, just to name a few. They come on & fix things because it cant be very costly........

[grandville455]

AWESOME BUD!!!I AM IN!!! LIKE I SAID LETS FIRE HER UP AND THEN WELL OPEN BOTH OUR DUMPS AND PISS OFF THE NEIGHORS ........WHAT TIME?

[Ron Landis]

What Cris said...Doug's headers are totally different animal. I bought a set from Milt Schornack in Michigan last year, so I know they are an older set. Flanges are super thick, all welds are beautiful and the headers themselves look like jewelry. I put Hooker Super Comps in our stock chassis '64 GTO and had to notch the A-frames. When I consulted Hooker's tech guy, he non-chalantly state.."oh, you sometimes need to do that on older cars." Dude... this is my suspension we're talking about, and it's not like you have't had 40 years to get it right. I won't even sell Dynomax to Pontiac people, as they do not fit a '64-'67 car or any 4-speed cars. There is a reason you can't get headers from the factory. Ram Air manifolds rule on a mild street engine, and they're no picnic!

[Darrell]

What year A body?

[zippy]

Correction Ron, this thread lost 4 buyer's. I won't be thinking about Dougs now just because of their treatment of Darrel. I have a small milling buisness. I have sold product's that were not correct, inadvertantly. WHen brought to my attn, I told the buyer to send back, COD and I'll send out a new, correct item. Heck, I'm a little guy workin out of my basement. If I have a screw up, I expect ME to pay shipping and rectify the item and most likely not making a dime on the item. Now if I can do that, why can't a large, profitable company????

[wheelspin]

Darrell, if it was easy, anybody could do it . We didn't say Doug's drop right on, we said you don't have to ball peen them shut to clear the steering box, shaft, or the a-arms.

The secret on the "D" port area bolts is to substitute shorter bolts for the ones furnished with the headers as they hit the tubes preventing you from starting them straight in.

Les