[Brian Baker]

Seriously though...I like the advertisement on Tin Indian's website better:

"Home of the quickest/fastest N/A Pontiac forged crankshaft!"

I would guess this is designed to sell more forged crankshafts...otherwise why would anyone care? You could substitute just about anything for "forged crankshaft".

"The worlds FASTEST naturally aspirated Pontiac...7.37 @ 179 MPH"

Actually no...Scott Rex has the worlds fastest, and it's 6 MPH faster. Oh yeah, it's also in a less aerodynamic and much heavier door car than that dragster. The QUICKEST would be more accurate, but not by much.

[Chris Roach]

After reading these boards for almost 10 years, the Pontiac community in general has a lot of fastest/quickest self proclaimed titles. What makes them any different?

[ho428]

As a business selling product I'd say they can make the claim unless another business can show a better product making more hp. An individual shouldn't be able to sue a business based on a more hp claim if they don't have a comparable product to sell.
Someone can usually beat any HP claim at some point, but do you mfg and have production parts to sell to the public like KRE?

[Jack Ferris]

Originally Posted by Chris Roach

After reading these boards for almost 10 years, the Pontiac community in general has a lot of fastest/quickest self proclaimed titles. What makes them any different?

EXACTLY. SO your the quickest and fastest. Just means you all had more funding to throw at it. Put Doogie Howser behind the wheel of John Forces car and it will still go fast.

[GTOGEORGE]

Just another KRE bashing thread.

Unless your car can out run someone or make MORE HP then someone, I would not criticize anyone. Way TOO many ARMCHAIR (do nothing) Quarterbacks on the board.

Lets just ALL get along and HELP "OUR" Pontiac Community grow.

[Brian Baker]

Originally Posted by ho428

As a business selling product I'd say they can make the claim unless another business can show a better product making more hp. An individual shouldn't be able to sue a business based on a more hp claim if they don't have a comparable product to sell.
Someone can usually beat any HP claim at some point, but do you mfg and have production parts to sell to the public like KRE?

Langers comments about filing a suit were tongue in cheek. Langer, Rex, Gaydosh & Maichle (before they sold their Pontiac stuff off), have made more naturally aspirated HP with a Pontiac, per cubic inch or otherwise, than anyone else on the planet, period. Guess whose heads they use and where they're ported? They're certainly not KRE heads nor are they ported by KRE or any other machinist KRE may have used in the past. 'Nuff said.

[Ron H]

Advertising is advertising. If I own a Pizza shop, can't I say I have the best Pizza in town? Unless it's a copywritten label, I am not sure there can be an arguement?
Dyno's, flow benches and other measuring devices all vary. They can also be manipulated to show a desired number whether it is accurate on another machine or not.
I don't think any of this is worth arguing over.

They still have time to change the course. Make whole with their customers who have found quality issues and show they are willing to make good for all of their mistakes.
I don't understand how they can turn a blind eye to the community.
It isn't good for any of us.

[Brian Baker]

Originally Posted by GTOGEORGE

Just another KRE bashing thread.

Unless your car can out run someone or make MORE HP then someone, I would not criticize anyone. Way TOO many ARMCHAIR (do nothing) Quarterbacks on the board.

Lets just ALL get along and HELP "OUR" Pontiac Community grow.

Surely you're not talking about Langer, are you? He did start the thread, and his car has seen more track time than yours has seen trailer time. Same goes for the Kauffman's and Butler's too...John has seen more track time than BOTH COMBINED. Let the fur fly! Is it Friday yet?!

[Chris Roach]

Originally Posted by Brian Baker

Surely you're not talking about Langer, are you? He did start the thread, and his car has seen more track time than yours has seen trailer time. Same goes for the Kauffman's and Butler's too...John has seen more track time than BOTH COMBINED. Let the fur fly! Is it Friday yet?!

Langers car speaks for itself and anyone who’s into Pontiac performance knows and respects the performance he and his car has achieved. For him to come on this board and start such a chicken sh!t thread was a bit in poor taste. Just my .02.

[GTOGEORGE]

Brian,
First off, I'm pretty sure Langer can speak for himself, he doesn't need you too baby sit for him.

Second, I've been racing since 1974, that's 34 years off seat time in my race cars............. Thank You very much

Third, it was not aimed at him necessarily. I guess his post was just bad timing, that's all. Sure didn't take long for certain people too get stupid.

Forth, KRE's ad is very old, I guess it needs to be updated but then anyone who looks at the Pontiac Magazines would know that.

[John Langer]

Originally Posted by Chris Roach

Langers car speaks for itself and anyone who’s into Pontiac performance knows and respects the performance he and his car has achieved. For him to come on this board and start such a chicken sh!t thread was a bit in poor taste. Just my .02.

It was not my intention to start a "chicken sh!t" thread. I am just stating facts. They DO NOT make the most hp/cid per cfm. I don't think they are in the top 5. You can't race dyno's and you can't race flow benchs. Putting a number up on the board is what counts. I don't see the numbers to back up the claims.

[Chris Roach]

Originally Posted by John Langer

It was not my intention to start a "chicken sh!t" thread. I am just stating facts.

You've been around these boards a long time, I'm sure you had to have known that your post would attract the PY Vultures.

[Scott Roberts]

[QUOTE=Ron H]I don't think any of this is worth arguing over



Agreed

[Brian Baker]

Is it Friday yet?

[Dragncar]

No one has identifyed the engine KRE is making the claim about.Heard rumors it was some sort of big bore short stroke engine.
As far as advertised flow numbers not being what they said.It has happened all the time to heads comming through Whittmores shop.A set of KRE Edelbrock wide ports came through his shop and they were right on the flow sheet.+ - 1% in all runners.He told me they were the only set he has had from anyone elses shop to do so.
The problem with them was the seat work was so poor you could see light between the head and seats and had to be redone.They would have dropped for sure.
That tells me at least some the claims about High Ports and Aluminum D ports dropping seats and destoying engines were from poor machine work and not just bad castings.Unless there is air pockets when you cut the seats how could it be the castings fault fault when a seat drops?

[ho428]

Originally Posted by Brian Baker

Langers comments about filing a suit were tongue in cheek. Langer, Rex, Gaydosh & Maichle (before they sold their Pontiac stuff off), have made more naturally aspirated HP with a Pontiac, per cubic inch or otherwise, than anyone else on the planet, period. Guess whose heads they use and where they're ported? They're certainly not KRE heads nor are they ported by KRE or any other machinist KRE may have used in the past. 'Nuff said.

Yeah, I kinda figured it was TIC, but thought I'd give my "legal" take on it since it was/is a legit question.

The rest is good entertainment.

[Scott Roberts]

I have the biggest d!@k in the whole Pontiac community. I have more whorespower per inch than any of you guys.

[Ron H]

I am married so I have to keep my whorespower under the hood.

[Brian Baker]

I've heard of going from the pan to the fire, but where does a thread go to when it's already in the crapper and then takes a turn like the last two posts?

[Scott Roberts]

Sorry, I thought we were comparing d!@ks.