[Judge273]

I would say if the vin matches block, that is a matching block. The date and cast code also jive, and the seller is willing to stand by it's originality. That also counts in my book.

Theory:The YZ could have been a factory error or a mechanic and or anyone with a wish to enhance or make the original YZ stand out. The face looks untouched to me too.

[The Boss]

Originally Posted by mmarx

Does the EUN line up with build date? Block cast date is K219...

Mike

It would appear to, however there is a Baltimore built IV Judge WW block which doesn't fit with this.

http://www.wallaceracing.com/cgi-bin/eun.cgi

Different question however, has anybody ever had a VIN stamp that begins with anything other than a 2 ?

[Tellyshavilli]

Originally Posted by The Boss

It would appear to, however there is a Baltimore built IV Judge WW block which doesn't fit with this.

http://www.wallaceracing.com/cgi-bin/eun.cgi

Different question however, has anybody ever had a VIN stamp that begins with anything other than a 2 ?

I did have a block that the vin. was lead with a 1 . Which is definately a mistake as the 2 stands for pontiac application and a 1 stands for chevy. This was a Norwood block and to make it even more strange the block looks it has a camaro vin. as it starts in the 500,000 range way to high for a ta . No boss its not painted orange and could you imagine the owner of the camaro that might have got that motor when he put his foot into it !

[Thunderkiss65]

If you look at the background behind the YZ you can see the block has been peened. Its not smooth behind those letters. Someone erased the old letters with a hammer.

[The Boss]

Originally Posted by Tellyshavilli

I did have a block that the vin. was lead with a 1 . Which is definately a mistake as the 2 stands for pontiac application and a 1 stands for chevy. This was a Norwood block and to make it even more strange the block looks it has a camaro vin. as it starts in the 500,000 range way to high for a ta . No boss its not painted orange and could you imagine the owner of the camaro that might have got that motor when he put his foot into it !

Of course he could brag to his friends that he had a big block!

[1969 Ram Air]

Both of my 69's have "weak" two digit engine codes so I agree, it's possible that a previous owner wanted the YZ to stand out better for people to see it. Also, one of my VIN stamps isn't centered on the block and all the numbers didn't get stamped, so the worker simply moved the punch over another inch and stamped it again.

[1967Clone]

$20K and reserve not met?!?!?!?!?!?!?!

[RicksGTO]

Telli, could the block you are talking about with the 5xx,xxx vin be from '72 since the Firebird that year started at 500,000?
As said above, the partial VIN on the Judge block should start with a "2", not the extra "0". I looked at that several times before it hit me. The normal format of 20Bxxxxxx contains the normal nine digits and the Judge blocks partial VIN contains ten, of course that is my opinion.

[Tellyshavilli]

Originally Posted by RicksGTO

Telli, could the block you are talking about with the 5xx,xxx vin be from '72 since the Firebird that year started at 500,000?
As said above, the partial VIN on the Judge block should start with a "2", not the extra "0". I looked at that several times before it hit me. The normal format of 20Bxxxxxx contains the normal nine digits and the Judge blocks partial VIN contains ten, of course that is my opinion.

My motor is a 1970 ,Jan. date and cast 979914 with a ws code and a 10n500xxx vin. stamped on bottom , The stamp was either set for a camaro by mistake or he was drunk.
You are correct on the Judge it has a extra 0 leading the vin. stamp. But just like my block as an example there were a lot of mistakes being made .

[1969 Ram Air]

I don't believe the factory would take the time to "hammer down" the first stamp. But, it does look like there is a "Y" under there. I've seen some pitiful restamps, so who knows what people are capable of doing.

[baron_]

Noone else gets tired of people threatening libel left and right?
Ridiculous.

[Mr_GTO]

Interesting car.

[da judge]

I'd love to see that picture of the girl first owner in the high school parking lot.

[JLHarper]

I've got a BALTIMORE built 70 JUDGE:

YZ eun: 0301551

Shipped 2-12-70.

Have to get more info, dont remember. Think its J and K on most eng components.

[JLHarper]

Jason,

I'll post it tonight.

I have a file with all the codes parts numbers/phs on each car I own, but not with me at this time.
Jeff

STEVE V;

I think this has been asked before of PHS. I will search and see if I can find the thread. Anyone recall?
I think it came down to not wanting to supply TO MUCH info to potential re-stampers by way of supplying the EUN.
Thats what I remember someone saying why PHS cant or wont do this/ I could be worng but what I remember.

[RicksGTO]

PHS does supply the EUN on some of the earlier model years, I know '68 and I believe '67 get them, possibly earlier years as well. My understanding from Jim Mattison was that the '69 and later model year engine unit numbers were not available in the records on file at PHS. My assumption was they just didn't exist/got destroyed for the later years but I guess there is always the possiblility that he has access to them and just protects them.

[The Boss]

$30,100 Reserve not met.

Re-listed. http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...m=220259815952

Just noticed, the trans has the same vin configuration as the block.

[JLHarper]

Mine looks like L 0 2 9.

0301551 .

[bop-restoration]

I know there have been alot of jabs at this car, trying to make it sound like it was forged. The only thing that is odd on this car is the YZ stamp. And i dont know how anyone can really think that this is a fake, due to the unique number making sense. The VIN making sense, including the 0 in front of it. This must have been a Baltimore thing, since there has been another from there with this same 0 added. And yes you see the trans is the same way, i am trying to get the VIN on the frame to see if that 0 is in front of it there too. So far i cant even see it, but i am going to try tomorrow during the day, with some different lighting.

Please let me know, since i do not know for sure, if the Service Replacement blocks were all stamped with their own unique number above the SR. I have heard they all got the SR stamp, and a unique number. I do not know for sure. Also i am curious if all blocks were made at the same foundary????? If not, where they marked a certain way, indicating their manufacturer???


Just another riddle, in my opinion.

I have also tracked down more people who knew the car back in the day. I have Mr. Grimes from Tom Wood Pontiac on the hunt too. He told me when he owned a Chevy dealer in that time period, that the warranty records were all kept, and they are still in the archive today. Who knows how to pry the lid off that can of worms???? I want to find out for sure who the first owner was on this one. I have found who i think is the 2nd owner. He past away about 4 years ago, but i spoke to his son, the car was to be his. The father, Cleo, hit something with the front end, and tore the radiator up. Cleo was going to give the car to his boy when turned 16, he decided to sell it in fear his boy would kill him self in it. The widowed wife of Cleo is still alive, i have yet to speak to her. I have been promised a series of family photos of the car. It was owned by them in the early 70's, ( 74- 76 ). I also found the guy who flipped the car without titling it, he had it after the guy who was on the title when we bought it.

Would love to find out who owned first, and where the guy is that was on the title and open bill of sale when we bought it. His half brother has a 70 GTO Convertible rotting in his backyard too. I still cant believe it, i have to go take a photo of that one. I will post it later on here. Here is the lovely shop of the guy who flipped it to us. Check out that classy paint shop. I was so amazed by the security fence, i think that might have been a preliminary act of the homeland security

Anyway,

The Frame number is attached too, but i cant make any sense really out of the date code, it looks like it didnt get stamped so well. Weak wristed stamper i think.

Help if you can on that frame, it does say Parish on top, the frame number is clear, but that date code, i just dont see it. The car is built second week of January.

Sincerely
Jason

[Judges4u]

Jason,

Every SR block that I have seen and owned to include NOS SR RA III and RA IV blocks, has a set of digits stamped after the upper case letters "SR." See pic of an 70 RA IV SR block, .

Jim