[4dblnkldude]

I've had my permit since I was 21. I did alot of work in the city of brotherly love. I am sure some of you can attest as to what goes on in some bad neighborhoods. So now I carry only when needed, and I'll carry a revolver during small game season.

[400 4spd.]

WOW John, good for you! That's quite an experience! I've also heard of people vomiting after having to shoot.
Did that happen in Mass.? I'm also curious if you explained your side to the cops or did you refuse to speak without your attorney present? It's widely held now that if involved in a shooting you should never offer anything but your name/ID and request an attorney.
"ANYTHING you say CAN AND WILL be used AGAINST you in a court of law." Nothing mentioned about anything you say being used in your favor.

[mike nixon]

CCP holder here for several yrs and currently hold a lifetime Concealed Carry Permit. I got one because **** happens. I've pulled it once and didn't fire it but thought about it seriously just to rid the world of one more vermin.Dirtbag ran away when he stared down the Barrel of the 357mag with a cocked hammer.

I hope to never have to fire it but I will if I have to as will Jen.

MIke

[DiamondJim]

I have one. Some nights I am in the office late alone, 45 makes me be cuddly and warm. I have been shooting my entire life, was even on the Pistol team in the military. Protect yourselves and your family. Support the 2nd amendment while we still can. Join the NRA. -Jim

[Cobrabill]

I carry because i CAN'T carry a cop everywhere i go.

[Radman]

I have a CCW and do carry. Why, because the bad guys can be anywhere. Shot people in Nam, hope I never have to do it again. That said, remember the police will be there in minutes at best. Better to have something to stop the bad guy than be the bledout body when the finally arrive on the scene.

[lust4speed]

Originally Posted by 6t7goat

..I even happen to walk up on someone breaking into a cars and stealing stereo's one nite. I saw them before they saw me so I startled them and they took off. Thinking back it probably was not the smartest thing to do. What do you think?

One thing that will be hammered into you in class is your CCW only gives you the right to protect yourself and others from grave bodily harm. I'm not talking about the castle doctrine where you are on your own property - no CCW needed there and a whole different set of rules apply.

If you do shoot someone, you will be arrested, your weapon confiscated, and you will be subject to prosecution the same as johnsma22 went through. You will be up to your neck in S***. Johnsma22 was fully justified in the shooting, but still had to endure the aftermath. As was stated above "I'd rather be tried by 12 than carried by 6" -- well you better be able to prove you were preventing yourself or your friends from being carried by six. Even then the surviving family can sue you.

[johnsma22]

Originally Posted by 400 4spd.

WOW John, good for you! That's quite an experience! I've also heard of people vomiting after having to shoot.
Did that happen in Mass.? I'm also curious if you explained your side to the cops or did you refuse to speak without your attorney present? It's widely held now that if involved in a shooting you should never offer anything but your name/ID and request an attorney.
"ANYTHING you say CAN AND WILL be used AGAINST you in a court of law." Nothing mentioned about anything you say being used in your favor.

Yes this happened in Boston. When the cops arrived I was holding my shirt on the perps wound. He was screaming that I shot him for no reason. I stated that he jumped out from behind a car and held a broken bottle to my wife's neck. I was asked point blank if I had shot him. I said that I did in defense of my wife. I was then asked where the gun was. I had dropped it on the ground after firing as I went to separate my wife from him as he fell. When I went to help him my wife put my 9mm in her purse. When the cops asked me where the gun was my wife told him it was in her purse. He said for her to place her purse on the ground in front of her. He retrieved the gun.

Then one of the cops asked if I really needed to shoot him. I was confused by the question and then the EMT looked right into my eyes and shook his head and mouthed the words "don't say another word". I listened to that advice and didn't say anything other than I want to speak with my lawyer before I say any more. The cops were very cool and told me that arresting me was procedure and they had no choice.

As I stated, the charges were dropped and my bail money returned. There was some grumbling that the perp was going to sue me in civil court, but that never happened. It's not something that I ever want to go through again, but I wouldn't hesitate to do it again if I had to.

[Sporter]

All non-felons have the right to a conceal carry permit in Florida. Don't need a reason, don't need to list weapons or serial numbers. Its your RIGHT to carry, but you do have to take a gun safety course unless you have either military or law enforcement experience. I had one for years but let it expire since you don't need it to carry a weapon in your car. Most states will honor a carry permit so it is helpful if you travel on the interstates. I never travel unarmed.

Why do I carry? In 1980 I and 2 other GIs unwittingly rode our motorcycles right into the Liberty City Riots in Miami. 20,000 crazy, rioting, killing, raping, burning, thieving animals running all over the place. Idiots were attacking people with machettes. Very ugly scene. We only survived due to the other two riders being military police and both had their 45s on them. They only had to shoot once to clear a path to escape. I learned two hard lessons that night; 1: The police were nowhere in sight - the only one responsible for your safety is YOU! 2: everyone respects the gun!

[goquick]

Read the Bill Of Rights. Fuc permits and the unConstitutional aholes who want us to have one. If I feel like keeping arms of my choosing that day, I will and there is not a single unConstitutional restriction by any state or federal law I'd consider as higher than my Constitutional Right to do so. To hell with these pu$$ifed weak kneed idiots in elected office thinking their unConstitutional bs laws is not an act of Treason.

[Jack Gifford]

Here in NYS it's merely called a pistol permit, but it allows concealed carrying. Although I got mine only because I wanted to carry a compact varmint weapon on my forty acres of fields/woods- usually on a tractor, where a long gun is a pain. However, I admit to feeling better-prepared in other situations, also- such as sleeping alone in the back of the Suburban on trips.

[T A 70]

Originally Posted by lust4speed

One thing that will be hammered into you in class is your CCW only gives you the right to protect yourself and others from grave bodily harm. I'm not talking about the castle doctrine where you are on your own property - no CCW needed there and a whole different set of rules apply.

If you do shoot someone, you will be arrested, your weapon confiscated, and you will be subject to prosecution the same as johnsma22 went through. You will be up to your neck in S***. Johnsma22 was fully justified in the shooting, but still had to endure the aftermath. As was stated above "I'd rather be tried by 12 than carried by 6" -- well you better be able to prove you were preventing yourself or your friends from being carried by six. Even then the surviving family can sue you.

That's right, and if there's an opportunity to retreat without using that weapon you must do so or you will end up in jail, sued, and probably lose everything you've worked for all your life.
In John's case, he was protecting another life from imminent grave bodily harm or death which is legal here in California. But!! If the guy was a relatively "safe" distance away with that glass and she could have ran off he couldn't legally shoot him. You absolutely cannot predict what a jury considers "reasonable" and could be convicted of murder/manslaughter by shooting anyone.
In a different scenario, let's say you're carrying and someone has you with both hands choking you out: You know your lights are going out soon, you reach and put a round in his chest...better hope someone witnessed it or you may be in deep..
Doesn't sound fair but that's the risk.

[gtoric]

I don't understand where the Constitution differentiates between the right to bear a stick or a blade or a concealed Mac10. we have the right to bear ANY ARMS, ballistic or not; deadly or not. If you want to walk around with a fully automatic MooseRaper strapped to your back, as long as you can carry it, you should be legally allowed to possess it and bear it, no infringements attached -- according to our Constitution. Unfortunately, the Founding Fathers, in their age of flintlocks and muzzle-loaders, did not envision today's diabolical firearms and their deadly portability. So today all we can ask for is the unfettered ability to protect ourselves and our families.

The right to bear arms was set down in doctrine to enable the United States of America's citizens to protect their lives, their private property, their State and their Country. The right was created to enable citizens to maintain a free state. To me, that means protecting themselves against those who would do us wrong by force, be it criminals or politicians, mobs or just a single bully in a dark alley with his own weapon and a mad-on grudge against you, and with no respect for your rights.

The second amendment has not itself been amended since it was ratified in 1791, but it sure has been infringed.

Why do we allow our government to continue to infringe upon our right to bear arms via the requirement of various carry/conceal permits? Permits primarily serve the government to record where the arms are held. How do you control a militia? Take away their weapons. How do you know where the weapons are? Record ownership via permits.

The most dangerous places in the country are those locations that are weapon-free zones, because the bad guys know that those are the sanctuaries where someone who holds a weapon is absolutely and uncontestably in control. By virtue of walking into a school, church, government office or any such weapon-free zone, these thoroughly detestable and cowardly criminals are assured to be in charge of any situation as long as they are the only ones who bear an arm. As soon as one other arm comes out of a holster or purse, the odds are evened.

All of that said, the consequences of pulling a trigger or swinging a nunchuk are subject to many and various forms of prosecution. If you pull out a weapon and use it, laws will have something to say about how you are treated afterward, whether you are using it in self-defense or not.

One more thing-- is ammunition considered to be a component part of the arm/weapon? In other words, are bullets and shells protected under the umbrella of the Second Amendment, or can they be restricted and banned without constitutional protection? Be aware of the bullet police confiscating any and all ammo so that your arms will be rendered useless without violating your rights.

Wow, don't get me started

[Region Warrior]

In Indiana, your take'n in for questioning.
Once inside out of public sight, it's hand shakes and high fives.

Permits/licenses are just for revenue.
Indiana has "life time" licenses for about $100.
Or every 4 yrs for about $12.
Thier think'n bout drop'n life time do to loss of revenue.

[My442]

Originally Posted by Tom Vaught

LEOs can be funny about Civilians carrying knives. If a person gets a CCW permit to carry a gun, that permit may not cover you if you carry a knife (even though both weapons are concealed). If you have a concealed weapons permit for a firearm, most LEOs will give you a break on the knife deal unless the founding father's of the city/ state are on their A$& about specific knife laws they passed years before the concealed weapons permit stuff went into effect. Make sure that you get something in writing if you carry the knife and the gun.



If there is such a place, it must be in someone's dreamland.

Just because you carry it does not mean that you have to use it.
You are just PREPARED if the NEED does arise. Being prepared is one
of the greatest feelings in the world. Like having "Life Insurance" but in
your pocket. Most people carry around a few extra pounds. Lose 3 pounds
and then carry a 2.5 lb Beretta. Your body will never notice the difference.

Tom Vaught

It's no dream.

Try pulling a gun or shooting someone anywhere but inside your home and find out. It will be a giant legal issue for you.

[Region Warrior]

Dead perps cant sue let alone lie.

[T A 70]

Originally Posted by Region Warrior

Dead perps cant sue let alone lie.

But their families can and usually will

[Region Warrior]

Unless its questionable, wouldnt go far in Indiana court. "If at all".

[drummer]

GTORIC

The right to bear arms which is given in the Constitution is not infringed because states require "concealed permits". The permits only grant the ability to carry a firearm concealed it has nothing to do with any right to own or carry "openly" a firearm. These permits are issued to insure that convicted felons and other criminals who choose to carry concealed firearms can be prosecuted in the courts. I am all for citizens carrying concealed weapons to protect themselves or others, but I dont want the local crackhead to be able to and if he does I want law enforcement to have laws in place to aide them in removing them from the streets. The supreme court recently struck down Washington DC's ban on handguns and I agree with the decision, but to compare handgun bans to concealed permits isn't fair.

20 years law enforcement veteran

[73LeMans]

Originally Posted by johnsma22

The only thing that people need to know about the right to bear arms and carrying a concealed firearm is that it is better to be tried by twelve than carried by six!

Just ask the scumbag that grabbed my wife from behind a parked car with a broken wine bottle. We were on our way back to our car in a parking garage after dinner in the city when this guy grabbed my wife from behind and held the broken bottle to her neck.

I didn't have any time to think about it, I just pulled my gun and shot the guy in the abdomen and promptly urinated in my pants. I'll never forget that moment as long as I live! My wife and I sat on the floor holding each other and crying as the guy kept screaming "why did you shoot me?". I kept screaming back at him "because you were going to cut my wife's throat!". He then started begging me to help him, which I did. I took off my shirt and used it to apply pressure to the wound to try and stop the bleeding. Finally, after what seemed like an eternity, the cops arrived and had him taken to the hospital and arrested me, urine soaked pants and all!

I was jailed, bailed out and charged with assault with a deadly weapon! A friend who is an attorney offered to defend me for free, but it never came to that. The district attorney decided to drop the charges. The guy who I shot recovered from his injuries, and because he had quite a lengthy criminal record, was sentenced to three years for his actions that night.

If I had it to do over again the only thing I would do differently would be to shoot him in the head so I wouldn't have to stand there and listen to him tell the cops and EMT's that I SHOT HIM FOR NO REASON!!!!

Since Brockton could be considered North Taunton and Taunton South Brockton, Im taking the class a week from tomorrow. This is exactly the type of thing I worry about happening.


EDIT = sorry should have kept reading! didnt know it happened in Boston, but those same types of jerks are everywhere! And Brockton is all too close.