[bankbook]

Nothing but compliments for my heads, and they cost me one million dollars!

Good commercial dude. lol

[goquick]

Originally Posted by pontiac jack

Twenty-five years ago I paid Mickey $1,000 for my pair of hemi heads (bare). No real porting- I used the mill to true-up and match intake port-entry shapes. Happy with them? Definitely! Cost vs. performance? Not bad- if you ignore what the total engine package investment added up to! (e.g.- try acquiring old-style hemi rocker arms that will perform day-in/day-out to 9,000 RPM).

[I realize this isn't the sort of main-stream example you're looking for- I just wanted to add some variety...]

Pontiac Jack, your stuff is so cool it should be mentioned in every thread!!! Just look at the performance level Pontiac's were at in the early 60's with the parts Mickey was making!!! With all of today's tech, and wonder mills, (lol-told a superviser that 1 day while running a 4 spindle lathe and 3 dual spindle 4 axis vertical mills-at the same time)
we are still in many ways catching up to what was avalable with your parts then!!!

[Travis Q]

This is what's on our car. The only difference is the valve seat material. Other than that, just exactly what is sold here. And I have to say that I have been impressed with what these heads have done. I would have never expected these heads to do as well as they have, and to last as long as they have with the abuse that we have put them through. Says a lot for the casting quality.

TQ

http://www.butlerperformance.com/pro...brock_cnc.html

[BADDTA]

Originally Posted by 65nss4spdGTO

I have no idea how much money Brian has in his heads, but I hope it cost as much as the performance his engine has displayed, a good head porter should be compensated fairly for the effort put forward. Most people don't realize the amount of time it takes to produce higher end cylinder heads.

We have hours of hand finishing in our CNC heads, each one is flow tested at least once. If the results aren't achieved, the heads go back to the bench for additional grinding or valve work. It's the little details that make the difference.

Calvin Hill
Hill Performance
708-250-7420

....And this is why I chose Calvin as my head porter. He is a true professional and more than fair!

[goquick]

Guys, the purpose for the thread is to showcase performance people have gotten for the money they have spent on their heads.

[slowbird]

Originally Posted by goquick

Guys, the purpose for the thread is to showcase performance people have gotten for the money they have spent on their heads.

OK, sure it is
Maybe you should change the title then

[Tom Vaught]

Originally Posted by goquick

Guys, the purpose for the thread is to showcase performance people have gotten for the money they have spent on their heads.

If that is the case then, every Pontiac Head Porter posts his 3 levels of head porting:

"Mild", "Average", and "Top Shelf" and the basic costs for the jobs.

Then you have the general information on what a PROPER Porting Job will cost you on a typical set of cylinder heads.

Asking a specific member to "spill his guts" on what his head porter charged for his specific heads means nothing. There could be a lot of "Extra Info" involved in the transaction and then the reader goes to the head porter and expects the same price. RIGHT.

JMO

Tom Vaught

[BruceWilkie]

Originally Posted by goquick

Guys, the purpose for the thread is to showcase performance people have gotten for the money they have spent on their heads.

Byron I consider you a friend. Hate to call you out on this. However the title IS offensive. Offends me because it seems like a CV1 guy looking to put down other choices. You know I like the CV1 and agree with others that even if your intentions are meant different than they appear, it puts a negative light on the whole CV1 program.

Jim does NOT need that sort of attention. Never be negative in any way about a competitive product, just positive about your product is a key sales strategy that works.

The CV1's are coming into there own niche (as all choices do) and making there potential known. The results speak for themselves.

Slowbird has expressed that he is very satisfied. Thats all that matters.

Probably better to start a topic like "What head best fits what application for the $$" if "the purpose for the thread is to showcase performance people have gotten for the money they have spent on their heads".

[BruceWilkie]

Oh and Dragncar you need to rethink some of what you said as well. NOTHING wrong with out of box heads or Crate motors if they accomplish what you want at price you want to pay. Thats the buyers choice. YOUR choices are YOUR choices.

[greggutknecht]

I paid Jim Robertson approx 2500.00 to do my heads and intake and gained over 200hp.It made 718 before and 937 after on pump gas,very good bang for the buck.I dont know if thats what it will cost someone else but thats what we worked out,the price is a phone call away.

[bad69bird]

Originally Posted by BruceWilkie

Byron I consider you a friend. Hate to call you out on this. However the title IS offensive. Offends me because it seems like a CV1 guy looking to put down other choices. You know I like the CV1 and agree with others that even if your intentions are meant different than they appear, it puts a negative light on the whole CV1 program.

Jim does NOT need that sort of attention. Never be negative in any way about a competitive product, just positive about your product is a key sales strategy that works.

The CV1's are coming into there own niche (as all choices do) and making there potential known. The results speak for themselves.

Slowbird has expressed that he is very satisfied. Thats all that matters.

Probably better to start a topic like "What head best fits what application for the $$" if "the purpose for the thread is to showcase performance people have gotten for the money they have spent on their heads".

Well said Bruce.

[Gach]

Originally Posted by greggutknecht

I paid Jim Robertson approx 2500.00 to do my heads and intake and gained over 200hp.It made 718 before and 937 after on pump gas,very good bang for the buck.I dont know if thats what it will cost someone else but thats what we worked out,the price is a phone call away.

I know someone who paid that just for the intake work. I would say you got more then your moneys worth.

[PONTIAC DUDE]

Originally Posted by Gach

I know someone who paid that just for the intake work. I would say you got more then your moneys worth.

Gach. You can't make an open ended statement like that.

If one is close to getting the max performance out of combo, then yes it is going to cost money to get the little bit extra. Like they say it cost X amount to get so far, then it doubles for the next little bit, then triples.

Greg probalby already had some head work done on them to begin with. So the $2500 is on top of the original costs.

I think this topic makes no sense and proves nothing?
Tunnel minded visions only brought up on Pontiac forums.

[Lloyd-TX]

[Gach]

Greg probalby already had some head work done on them to begin with. So the $2500 is on top of the original costs.

Yeah but you don't know that to be true..your assuming that.

[R 70 Judge]

Originally Posted by Gach

I know someone who paid that just for the intake work. I would say you got more then your moneys worth.

You should really clarify this statement as it sounds like you are implying that Robertson charged someone $2000 for just intake work. I HIGHLY doubt that is anywhere close to a true statement.

[R 70 Judge]

Originally Posted by PONTIAC DUDE

Greg probalby already had some head work done on them to begin with. So the $2500 is on top of the original costs.

From what I know they came to Robertson as cast with no previous port work performed (unless I'm thinking of another customer's heads that Jim did).

[PONTIAC DUDE]

I know lots of people in & outside the Pontiac world that have paid over $2,000 for intake work. Just depends on how much HP ya want to make and how fast ya wanna go with your combo.

[PONTIAC DUDE]

Originally Posted by R 70 Judge

From what I know they came to Robertson as cast with no previous port work performed (unless I'm thinking of another customer's heads that Jim did).

Hera ya go

greggutknecht g
Senior Chief

Default 541 what will it make
Ill be going to texas next weekend to have Jim Robertson dyno my 541,what ya thinkin.

Bore 4.375
Stroke 4.5
Rod length 6.565
Comp 11.1
Cam.750\.750 276/280 @ 50 114
Intake is a BOP ported by Jim Robertson
Heads are Kauffman HPs ported by Jim Robertson 2.25\1.75
Flow numbers are from a 4.21 fixture
.300 215 165
.400 280 197
.500 332 221
.600 381 242
.700 403 255
.800 409 270
Carb will be a 1250 hp unless i find something bigger.Headers will be 2.125\2.25\4.0 Hope it comes back in one piece.

[Gach]

Originally Posted by R 70 Judge

You should really clarify this statement as it sounds like you are implying that Robertson charged someone $2000 for just intake work. I HIGHLY doubt that is anywhere close to a true statement.

Nop I said..I know someone who paid $2500 not $2000.00 just for intake work. doesn't imply Robertson anything.