[muscle_collector]

Originally Posted by Diego

In the accessories brochure, it shows for 1971 but not 1970:

http://www.gt-37.org/gallery/main.php?g2_itemId=1047

It's dealer-installed here.

there is an old man here that has a 70 lemans sport and he special ordered it new with a 400, manual trans, formula wheel and rear wing (among other options). I have personally seen all the paperwork on it from the order sheet, build sheet and window sticker. I got him the what is now phs on it way before it was phs and the rear spoiler was on it also.

[Simple Man]

Originally Posted by Ram4king

X2. I also don't believe you ever could get it dealer installed. You could buy one yourself and do it but I've never ever seen or heard of one with paperwork.

Then what about the deck lid springs? Is it just a matter of adjustment, or did it require a different set of springs?
I can see Joe Newcarowner drilling the holes, and mounting a wing. But changing out the springs? Or even knowing you needed to?

[Bobalong]

I have a wing, pretty sure it was owner installed. When I bought the car the trunk would barely stay up. I moved the springs back one notch to tighten them. Often wondered if they would hold under the additional torque, or if I needed to see about beefier springs.
That was 20+ years ago.
I never let anyone get into or close the trunk lid. That wing is heavy and I don't like for it to slam shut under the additional weight. It's happened more than once, hasn't hurt anything, but just the same . . . . .

[MikeNoun]

Been a while since I looked, but I recall the welded box for the torque rods inside the trunk had two positions, light and heavy. The heavy position was used for when luggage racks were dealer installed, and also used for 1969 Trans Ams. Removing or repositioning the torque rod isn't easy. They made a special tool for the mechanics to use. I would imagine the A-bodies had the same two position torque rod adjustment.

[north]

3 on A-bodies

[MikeNoun]

Yes, 3 positions on the Bird too.

[lancesjudge]

never heard of spoiler being factory added to anything but the Judge option but dealer would probably do anything for a price. if someone had a gto w/a spoiler from the factory i would bet the phs would say Judge on it & someone removed the decals either at the dealer or later in the cars life.

[Simple Man]

They would also have to remove the Ram Air.....

[gtoric]

Originally Posted by 71 T/A

But the car not be a Judge. Someone who may have wanted a GTO with Judge spoiler but no striping and decals.

BTTT

The Deck Lid Airfoil was not a factory-installed option for '69. A sales code number was not issued for the airfoil in '69, so it could not have been ordered by the dealer as a factory-installed regular production option. It was factory-installed only as part of The Judge option WT1/554.

Could a car have been built on the line with an airfoil outside The Judge option? That probably depends on who was doing the ordering. A special order from John DeLorean, or a Zone office-approved order may have been honored. Without a build manifest notation or some other very special paperwork, these theoretical “factory” orders are impossible to document.

It was available as a dealer-installed item, as has been stated earlier in this thread. As a dealer-installed item, the airfoil could have been ordered at the time the car was ordered. It would have been delivered as an accessory package separately through the GM parts system to the dealer's parts department, painted the correct color, and installed before the customer picked up the car. Therefore, the airfoil-equipped car rolled off the dealer's lot in the hands of the original owner. The dealer made a sale by delivering a car to the specifications of the buyer. The buyer would not know or care how the car was built, all he cared about was that he got his GTO/LeMans/Tempest with a rear deck lid airfoil. His story would forever be that he ordered it this way, and that's how he got it. He would not be lying, but the truth of how it got that way would be open for interpretation.

Was it a factory item? Not technically, when considered as a standalone option. But technically, it should be considered correct for any '69 Pontiac A-body series car. For most concours judging, a correctly installed factory accessory requires no documentation outside of a Pontiac Accessory listing. A current owner of such a vehicle should carry factory documentation of this accessory if he is competing in judged events.

This situation was continued through the 1970 model year, with a different style airfoil, of course.

In 1971, RPO D80/Sales Code 572 was released for factory-installed Rear Decklid Airfoils. The Dealer-installed Accessory was also available as an over-the-parts counter item.

For 1972 RPO D80/Sales Code 611 was available until 10/1/1970. This is assumed to be the three-piece “Duck Tail” spoiler.

No Accessory Rear Deck Airfoil was available for '72.

[gtoric]

To answer the original question more directly...yes. Using the above listed logic, here's how that could be true.

A legitimate buyer sits down with his salesman and asks if he can order a '69 LeMans with a rear deck lid airfoil.

Mr. Salesman, not wanting to lose a sure sale says, “Yes, we can get that for you.” Not telling the buyer, he orders the LeMans minus the airfoil from the factory. He orders the airfoil as an accessory item through the parts dept. The buyer never notices the cost of the accessory item on the sales agreement he signs. Hey, it's only money, right?

Mr. Buyer is notified several weeks later that his LeMans is ready to be picked up. When he gets to the dealership, his shiny new Lemans has an airfoil, just like he ordered.

Three years later, when he's ready to buy a new Pontiac, he sells the LeMans to a nephew. The nephew is told that the car was built that way from the factory. So begins a new urban legend.

[Simple Man]

Mr. Salesman doesn't even have to fabricate a story. He could say " well, technically, no, but our service department can install one when the car comes in." Or he could even figure in the over the counter price, and bodyshop labor, into the final sales agreement.

[The Boss]

Originally Posted by Simple Man

Mr. Salesman doesn't even have to fabricate a story. He could say " well, technically, no, but our service department can install one when the car comes in." Or he could even figure in the over the counter price, and bodyshop labor, into the final sales agreement.

In Sales, the answer is never NO, it is always YES.

[68gtoMN]

Originally Posted by The Boss

In Sales, the answer is never NO, it is always YES.

Salesman: "No problem! We can do that!" Salesman closes sale.
Sales then informs "support/ordering staff" of promise made to close sale.
Support/Ordering staff informs Sales that this option is not available
Salesman then responds with: "We'll need to find a way to make it work!"
Salesman then acts to solve promise, without asking permission, then later begs for forgiveness after side-stepping process.
Rationale: "I made the sale, didn't I?! "
Customer is pleased but no wiser regarding process

[red1975pacer]

The dealer installed at time of sale hypothesis sounds 100% feasible to me. Mom had a Brand new 72 AMC wagon modified seating track range "dealer installed' like it was no big deal. Salesman would do anything to close deal." Factory installed, dealer installed, car was like that from new," statement is accurate.