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Ad said bought new by my father...did the father die and the son is selling?
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1968 Lemans 350 HO 55 Chevy 210 2 door post, future Two Lane Blacktop car |
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1 of the (25 or 26) Canadian Lemans based "The Jury" dealer option cars for sale in BC, available at his link:
https://www.kijiji.ca/v-classic-cars...ury/1602094428 Seems to be the same car discussed previously on PY. 350, 4 speed M21 (originally M20 on data plate?) and a 390 rear, post car (post / coupe dash and all). 1969 Judge rear spoiler. Data plate does not state "MADE IN CANADA" like other 70 Oshawa built Lemans but instead shows OS as opposed to a 1 . Palladium Silver code 14, with a blue bench interior code 241 Not certain it is all original as indicated but a cool ride nonetheless with a $72,000 Canadian ($57,000 USD) price tag, or something close, required to ad it to your collection. Last edited by Pepper Judge; 01-23-2022 at 04:33 PM. |
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it's a neat car, but I'd wager it would have to be the right Canadian who might be a the target audience - as the only real thing going for it is the 'Canadiana';
I can't see the average American buyer being willing to pay GTO Judge premium for such a niche car.
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1970 Formula 400 Carousel Red paint on Black standard interior A no-engine, no-transmission, no-wheel option car. Quite likely one of few '70 Muncie three speed Formula 400's left. 1991 Grand Am: 14.4 @ 93.7mph (DA corrected) (retired DD, stock appearing) 2009 Cobalt SS: 13.9 @ 103mph (current DD; makes something north of 300hp & 350ft/lbs) |
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not a fan, don't care how rare. 350ci kills it.
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/\ exactly my point.
This car's target buyer is someone willing to pay a premium for a piece of Canadiana... and then hopefully the aftermarket junk will be taken off! lol
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1970 Formula 400 Carousel Red paint on Black standard interior A no-engine, no-transmission, no-wheel option car. Quite likely one of few '70 Muncie three speed Formula 400's left. 1991 Grand Am: 14.4 @ 93.7mph (DA corrected) (retired DD, stock appearing) 2009 Cobalt SS: 13.9 @ 103mph (current DD; makes something north of 300hp & 350ft/lbs) |
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Sorry it's worse than that for me, This car's target buyer is an idiot. Why buy something just because it is rare or unique. Buy something that is good first, then rare and unique. At $10,000 sure, but not at $30-40,000 or any higher when so much else can be found for the money.
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what's the saying "there 's an idiot born every day"?
This guy has to be fishing for an idiot - lol
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1970 Formula 400 Carousel Red paint on Black standard interior A no-engine, no-transmission, no-wheel option car. Quite likely one of few '70 Muncie three speed Formula 400's left. 1991 Grand Am: 14.4 @ 93.7mph (DA corrected) (retired DD, stock appearing) 2009 Cobalt SS: 13.9 @ 103mph (current DD; makes something north of 300hp & 350ft/lbs) |
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What would be more desireable,,,,a GT37 ,,350 4 speed or a Jury?
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72 lemans,455 e-head, UD 255/263 solid flat,3.73 gears,,,10" 4400 converter,, 6.68 at 101.8 mph,,1.44 60 ft.2007 (cam 271/278 roller)9"CC.4.11gear 6.41 at 106.32 mph 1.42 60 ft.(2009) SOLD,SOLD 1970 GTO 455 4 speed #matching,, 3.31 posi.Stock manifolds. # 64 heads.A factory mint tuquoise ,69' judge stripe car. 8.64 @ 87.3 mph on slippery street tires.Bad 2.25 60ft.Owned since 86' |
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Most desirable in a lower level Pontiac A-body in late '70 would be a solid straight clean interior orig 400 WT engine, M13 or M20 GT-37 in a desirable color.
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Buzzards gotta eat... same as worms. |
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If the car was a 400/4spd or a 400/3spd GT37, I'd rather either of those.
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1970 Formula 400 Carousel Red paint on Black standard interior A no-engine, no-transmission, no-wheel option car. Quite likely one of few '70 Muncie three speed Formula 400's left. 1991 Grand Am: 14.4 @ 93.7mph (DA corrected) (retired DD, stock appearing) 2009 Cobalt SS: 13.9 @ 103mph (current DD; makes something north of 300hp & 350ft/lbs) |
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Neither, stupid discussion and you would not pay $30,000+ for either one.
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I think it's pretty cool, but not for that money.
Questions; Single exhaust or dual? Is it really 3.90:1 gears? 2bbl, logs, and 3.90's; how well would that run? 350, 2bbl with 12bolt? I see the order slip posted has 8.2 rear but i thought i'd read about 12 bolt as well? One time, I temporarily installed a stock 1970 350 2bbl in my GTO; with logs, dual exhaust and 3.08 gears; it ran great. Then I installed a 4.10 rear in there; and the car couldnt go 60 mph. felt like it couldnt breathe. Last edited by F ROCK; 02-07-2022 at 03:59 PM. |
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WTF? Jury 350 2bll 3.90
I don't understand who ever thought that a 350 2bll with steep gears was somehow a good idea?
The Jury ought to have been at least the WT 400 with the Ram AIr III "12" heads, or simply a WS Ram AIr III. What true cost savings were there with a 350 2bbl? Production costs were about the same. If one likes the Jury look, then find a 2 door post Tempest Lemans and build one with one of the 400s, or even a McCarthy or DCI RAV.
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1970 Lucerne Blue Firebird Trans Am, deluxe blue interior. Original Ram Air III, M-21, 3.73. Being built as a 4" stroke "434" with SR 614 Ram Air IV heads 1972+ Lucerne Blue 4-door hardtop "what if" T-41 Le Mans Sport GT/Grand Am concepts. Equipped with future 3" journal "455 HO"/"what if" prototype "SD 455". What if GM had continued production of the 1970-72 GM A body somewhere in the southern hemisphere? |
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This is a low volume special dealer car; I have to believe that you DO understand this, and that you are just flogging a dead horse here. Two posts worth repeating, just incase you have missed it: Quote:
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1970 Formula 400 Carousel Red paint on Black standard interior A no-engine, no-transmission, no-wheel option car. Quite likely one of few '70 Muncie three speed Formula 400's left. 1991 Grand Am: 14.4 @ 93.7mph (DA corrected) (retired DD, stock appearing) 2009 Cobalt SS: 13.9 @ 103mph (current DD; makes something north of 300hp & 350ft/lbs) |
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I don't understand the selection of the 350 2bbl. Almost certainly due to excessive insurance surcharges, even on the more door intermediates as the 350 accounts for perhaps 98% of all factory installations.
Was not questioning the rarity of the car. Wonder how many out there missing their original drivetrain? Quote:
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1970 Lucerne Blue Firebird Trans Am, deluxe blue interior. Original Ram Air III, M-21, 3.73. Being built as a 4" stroke "434" with SR 614 Ram Air IV heads 1972+ Lucerne Blue 4-door hardtop "what if" T-41 Le Mans Sport GT/Grand Am concepts. Equipped with future 3" journal "455 HO"/"what if" prototype "SD 455". What if GM had continued production of the 1970-72 GM A body somewhere in the southern hemisphere? |
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I would guess that the 350 was selected, then teamed up with 3.90's to make a car that would launch from a stop light spectacularly;
Those appear to have been super cheap cars - probably put together to create dealership activity. Here is another link about these cars: https://forums.maxperformanceinc.com...d.php?t=454137
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1970 Formula 400 Carousel Red paint on Black standard interior A no-engine, no-transmission, no-wheel option car. Quite likely one of few '70 Muncie three speed Formula 400's left. 1991 Grand Am: 14.4 @ 93.7mph (DA corrected) (retired DD, stock appearing) 2009 Cobalt SS: 13.9 @ 103mph (current DD; makes something north of 300hp & 350ft/lbs) |
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I just found a period article hosted on anther forum - it's worth sharing:
The following quote is from near the end of page 1: Quote:
I actually prefer the 1970 black spoiler, and slightly different decaling.
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1970 Formula 400 Carousel Red paint on Black standard interior A no-engine, no-transmission, no-wheel option car. Quite likely one of few '70 Muncie three speed Formula 400's left. 1991 Grand Am: 14.4 @ 93.7mph (DA corrected) (retired DD, stock appearing) 2009 Cobalt SS: 13.9 @ 103mph (current DD; makes something north of 300hp & 350ft/lbs) |
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I really like this car. 350 2bbl, 4 speed, single exhaust 4.11 gears lol. It probably would have been good enough w/ 3.55's? my 1970 2bbl 350 with #11 heads was quite peppy. I should've kept that engine but i passed it on to someone else who needed it. I like the silver paint and stripes too. Hood pins are a nice touch; someone might steal that 2bbl. lol. i like hood pins. This must've been a pretty fun car for buzzing around town. I doubt i could drive it very far w/ 4.11's. At over 4K it was pretty pricey for the day, no? |
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keep in mind that was Canadian dollars - I am not sure how that translated to 1970 USA-dollars, but I have no doubt it was a fair share cheaper than a GTO, and would have presumably had some of the flash of a GTO.
I have reached out to the individual who shared that article that I might be able to find another copy of it, or get a high resolution scan of it - he appears to be in my city. Hopefully I will hear back from him.
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1970 Formula 400 Carousel Red paint on Black standard interior A no-engine, no-transmission, no-wheel option car. Quite likely one of few '70 Muncie three speed Formula 400's left. 1991 Grand Am: 14.4 @ 93.7mph (DA corrected) (retired DD, stock appearing) 2009 Cobalt SS: 13.9 @ 103mph (current DD; makes something north of 300hp & 350ft/lbs) |
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