[fyrffytr1]

What about the people riding the scooters pulling a wagon behind them, usually empty!

[dataway]

I kind of like the shows where the only people that can attend are people that own the cars and their families. I'd rather have one guy that KNOWS cars say something nice about mine than 100 people that don't.

[Stuart]

Originally Posted by dataway

I kind of like the shows where the only people that can attend are people that own the cars and their families. I'd rather have one guy that KNOWS cars say something nice about mine than 100 people that don't.

That doesn't seem like much of a show if the public is not allowed to attend.

[DanC]

Originally Posted by fyrffytr1

What about the people riding the scooters pulling a wagon behind them, usually empty!

Sounds like you have been to the Moultrie Swap Meet! Never seen so many until they started renting them there a few years ago. Of course the venue loves it cause it's mo' money!

I suspect that just like at Walmart, 90% of em are just lazy and need the exercise. Probably have 'borrowed' handi tags on the rear view too. Then there's the "service" animals....

Like anything there are those legit that get a bad rap from the majority posers

[dataway]

Originally Posted by Stuart

That doesn't seem like much of a show if the public is not allowed to attend.

Not so much a "Show" as a "meeting"

Public shows for charities and such ... fine. But ... I don't know, the average public ... it's like a three star Michelin chef throwing a food show at a Pork Rind festival. It could be any car ... long as .. "that's a pretty color"

[lemansboy70]

I have D.J.'d quite a few car shows and cruise-ins. I ALWAYS make it a point to announce reminders to people on bikes and scooters to please be courteous to show goers so we may all enjoy the show. Sometimes people just need a reminder. If that fails, then you are open game for my ire. If you are at a show do NOT piss off the D.J! You will not have a good time...............

[Bobalong]

Originally Posted by dataway

Not so much a "Show" as a "meeting"

Public shows for charities and such ... fine. But ... I don't know, the average public ... it's like a three star Michelin chef throwing a food show at a Pork Rind festival. It could be any car ... long as .. "that's a pretty color"

That's funny !

[unruhjonny]

Originally Posted by GT182

... I was been told at one show that if you see someone's kid in or on your car they will be thrown out of the show. No refunds even if they had to pay to get in. ...

Wow!

Rules like this might actually be a good thing...

Originally Posted by GT182

... Now this should be the norm at all shows. I hate car shows that charge for us to show our cars and they let people in off the street in for free. I don't care one bit if it's not promoting the hobby... they pay just like the rest of us have too. You don't pay you don't get in.

Although this is a fine idea at face value, it is inherently flawed;
I'd rather put a twist on this;
Generally the entrance fee for vehicle owners is to ensure that the operating club/organization can pay for the venue, the required insurance to do the show, and any other nice-ities like renting tents ect...
I have been to a couple shows where the organizing club will actually line up sponsers to cover the costs involved - now that is nice!

It's my opinion that often the entrance fee for a S&S and the required duration where you're essentially stuck to languish on the feild/parking lot is getting out of hand...

Originally Posted by GT182

...And no dogs, especially if it's a show on hot pavement. ...

I think this too is a fine idea.

Originally Posted by GT182

... And that's not saying a thing about [the dog crap], or the [pee] on your tires. I saw [one example where] the owner didn't even bother to pick up [his dog's crap] at the Pypes show. I picked it up and let the guy know I was pissed. He just laughed.

I would have tried to casually pass it to him under the guise of "it looks like you dropped this"... and uttered something that I'd probably regret saying if I had been in your shoes.

[Firedup6975]

People need to remember one thing....... without the cars and trucks.......there is no show. Costs for a club or private individual to host a show, is not cheap! Location, food, bathroom facilities, awards, a DJ, advertising, trash recepticles, and trash pick up afterwards. often a portion or all proceeds going to a charity, or similar I’ve been doing shows since the eighties. Even donating items for goody bags, or door prizes. It’s not an easy thing, trying to get people to volunteer. Most shows charge the participants an entrance fee. Some shows charge a spectator fee, or donation. I think it will be very hard to enforce a scooter, golf cart, ATV limitation. I’ve honestly seen more car show staff, abuse these things more so than anyone else, racing around, crashing into and dumping over trash boxes etc. I suppose the only way to avoid these vehicles, is simply leave, or don’t come back. People rarely listen to what the DJ is even saying, even being rude during awards talking and laughing. If scooters etc, are banned from events, next it will be wheel chairs and walkers.

[68 461 Bird]

Originally Posted by RocktimusPryme

Now to be clear for those that for real absolutely need them. I get it. I wouldnt wish for someone who couldnt otherwise enjoy life to just sit at home and rot.

That said, just playing the numbers there were LOTS of people on them who couldnt have put forth a little effort and been just fine. Fat and or lazy is not a handicap. They make the fewer number who really need them look bad.

I fully agree with you on this. I was in Norwalk and many people driving around anything with a motor. At this venue its a must if you want to see everything you possibly can.

We usually rent a golf cart so we can get from the show field to the far end of the pits in a short amount of time. I usually walk the swapmeet and show field so i can really see everything. There's a lot to see and in a short amount of time, so I can see these being used to save time, especially if you are a racer looking for parts between rounds or trying to get to the show field to look at cars.

The difference is at Norwalk we are all Pontiac people and are respectful of others and their property. This is not the case at a local car show where you are with a large majority of the stupid and inconsiderate people. I think charging those people at the gate will keep out a lot of the people who dont appreciate what it takes to have a nice classic car. Car people will pay the entrance fee, non car people will get a starbucks instead. Its a win win for everyone!

[Heybuck]

My whole family, so our 3 kids, the married two with their partners, and our 4 grandchildren all went to Disneyworld at Christmas time 2016. Quite a treat for us.

What amazed us was the number of apparently reasonably fit people and some quite obese people riding motorised scooters. You can hire them there. So they would have a group sometimes maybe 4-5 people on scooters riding up to the rides, park them then stand in a queue for sometimes an hour (if you haven't pre-booked), then ride on to the next ride.

Some rides, they could sit on their scooter in the queue then park it, negotiate a pathway or steps to the ride, get off and fairly easily walk back to their scooters!!!

Sure, there were obviously handicapped people these and good on them for getting out and about and enjoying themselves but I can't help feeling that some of those hirers were just down right lazy. Of course, a scooter is often handy because it has a basket in which you can load up huge cups of cola and popcorn. You need that to help get through the stresses of the day!!!

[TAKerry]

I havent really seen a problem with them at the shows I go to. I try not to be too judgmental after an experience I had at a Home depot. A guy pulled into the hcap parking in a new escalade. No HCap plates or sticker on the mirror. I was a bit incensed. My sons best friend growing up was handicapped and wheelchair bound, so I have become a bit sensitive to people abusing the situation. Against my better judgement I stood there a minute and was going to say something to him. He opened the backdoor first from the driver seat, and out came a wheel chair. This guy had no legs. Boy did I fell like a fool!

As a side note, when I see kids at a show I ask them if they want to sit in my car, with my help of course. They always get a big kick out of it. Maybe someday they will want to get their own trans am because of that experience.

[Barrier Blue]

At Norwalk this year there sure were a lot of skinny teenage kids with heart conditions.

[Chief of the 60's]

Originally Posted by Stuart

Maybe they are lazy, but you don't know that for a fact. It's never a good idea to assume things about others if you don't know the whole story.

True. However, most of the ones I see are fat, very to extremely fat. I'm sorry but being lazy and fat is not a handicap in my book. Maybe if some of these people got off their ass and walked a bit they would lose some of that weight. Its only a win, win for everyone. As far as these scooters at shows over here, we have a cruise night every night of the week, sometimes 2, and 2 to 5 car shows every weekend and I can say you are lucky to see 1 person in a scooter.

[72projectbird]

Fat people are coddled, just like druggies and alcoholics. Instead of trying to fix the issue, they're told it's OK, and given every tool under the sun to cope with their so called disease.

Yes, seeing people on scooters that don't belong on them is aggravating. You got people walking around that are pushing 90, those who are missing limbs, those who have legit diseases' that impair their walking ability, and yet those people are still up and doing things. Then you got the heifers strolling around on their scooters, thinking the entire land they're currently driving on belongs to them.

Thankfully the shows I go to are mostly on grass. I usually never see anyone there on scooters.

[Simple Man]

Originally Posted by Stuart

That doesn't seem like much of a show if the public is not allowed to attend.

Like POCI over the years?

[Stuart]

Originally Posted by Simple Man

Like POCI over the years?

The public has always been able to attend POCI, in fact that's how I joined way back when. You may be confusing the seminars and tech sessions with the show.

[Simple Man]

Originally Posted by Stuart

The public has always been able to attend POCI, in fact that's how I joined way back when. You may be confusing the seminars and tech sessions with the show.

We had this discussion a few months ago. Not always been that way.

[Chief of the 60's]

Originally Posted by Simple Man

We had this discussion a few months ago. Not always been that way.

No. No it has not. I joined back in '83 just so I could go to the convention which was in my backyard. I was not allowed into any part of the convention unless I was a member.

[poncho-mike]

I started going to Charlotte Autofair in 1978 as a spectator, then later as a vendor. I loved walking the fields looking for parts.

Around 1986, I was in a car accident and had some problems with pain in my right hip. A doctor diagnosed me as as having a defective hip joint that was aggravated by the accident. The ball on the femur was elliptical shaped and one leg was an inch shorter than the other. I was told I would need hip replacement by the time I was 50. I continued to walk the show and used anti-inflammatories kept the pain down. As I started walking less I gained weight. By age 50 or so, I had to make a decision if I wanted to continue to walk the show, either have hip replacement surgery or get a scooter. I felt too embarassed to ride a scooter while I still looked healthy, so I stopped walking the show and began selling parts. I can't say I made the right decision, since I allowed vanity to make my decision for me. I felt people would judge me the way some of you are judging people on scooters

I would be careful about making observations regarding people who are riding the scooters. Not all disabilities are visible to the casual observer. I know there are probably a lot of people that abuse these, but many people that look healthy have issues that are not readily apparent.

I finally had my right hip replaced a couple of months ago, and plan to spend a little time walking the swap meet this September.