[Gach]

Dragncar, seeing your not going to make it to the track this year what you should do is buy yourself one of dragging daddy’s. Their pretty accurate.

[Stan Weiss]

Originally Posted by Gach

You are blocked but if someone copies your post in a reply for some reason I can still see them. LOL Mike runs that Comp Cam with lifter bore Brace. In his stock block…for last two years..LOL. It’s actually 195-200. No issues. Which is exactly what you said you were going to do. But then for some reason you got paranoid. He was hoping to learn something from your pump gas stroker motor build, 700 plus hp. Because he never got that out of his combo he thought he could learn something from you. He just don’t understand why now all of a sudden you’re going backwards. LOL spent all that money on that dominator to turn around and run 850. He was anxious to see how much you’d pick up because he doesn’t run all that stuff, back cut rings, vacuum pump, crank trigger, 2” tube headers and Merge collector, or a pan with a double scraper. Or a super modified oil pump. His only problem is you’re not gonna back up your claims most power pump gas stroker motor. So yeah he’s very disappointed. So I can see as usual my post went right over your head. I thought the purpose of the board was to learn and get help from each other. After following your 3 year build he’s very disappointed. He kept telling me Gach your wrong you should listen to Dragncar. LOL

This is about the only thing I have seen you post here that is actually correct.

Stan

[Gach]

Laughing out loud I was wondering how long it was gonna take for you to jump in. You make it to obvious.

[Gach]

Originally Posted by Stan Weiss

This is about the only thing I have seen you post here that is actually correct.

Stan

Unfortunately for you Stan the majority don’t see it your way, I know that hurts. Keep trying though.

[Gach]

I’d like to hear from you…your big dissertation on why a 1050 actually flows 1130 cfm, as per Dragncars claims. I talk to Patrick at Pro Systems he’d love to hear your explanation.

Come on Stan get your formulas out punch in your program, we are all ears. Instead of coming after me maybe you could try and answer the OP question, or maybe you can create a formula for that. I know I know your still a David V student. I heard through the grapevine that one of the formulas that you have you actually stole from Dragncar. At least that’s what he told me once. And here I thought he was your buddy.

[Stan Weiss]

Originally Posted by steve25

Hook up a vacuum gauge that you can read during a run to the motor.

If then on a run you see 3/4" hg or higher showing up within 500 rpm of your shift point then that's telling you your 850 is too small.

Gach,

Did you even read this post (I snipped it down)? You do know that Pontiac actually installed vacuum gauge in some of their cars.

Stan

[Dragncar]

Originally Posted by Gach

Dragncar, seeing your not going to make it to the track this year what you should do is buy yourself one of dragging daddy’s. Their pretty accurate.

Actually I am getting my own private day at the track. Timing equipment might not be there but if I bring the right friend we just might hook it all up and have a day.

[Gach]

Originally Posted by Dragncar

Actually I am getting my own private day at the track. Timing equipment might not be there but if I bring the right friend we just might hook it all up and have a day.

Great ! All your hard work and planning will pay off.

[Stan Weiss]

Originally Posted by Dragncar

Actually I am getting my own private day at the track. Timing equipment might not be there but if I bring the right friend we just might hook it all up and have a day.

Troy.
I don't remember. Do you have data logging on your car.

Stan

[Gach]

Originally Posted by Stan Weiss

Gach,

Did you even read this post (I snipped it down)? You do know that Pontiac actually installed vacuum gauge in some of their cars.

Stan

That wasn’t the answer to OP question, (plug heat range.) Is what he asked, I mean come on going from a 1050 to a 850 is definitely going to make less hp, the motor was dyno and dyno guys telling him he needs a colder plug.

[Dragncar]

Originally Posted by Stan Weiss

Troy.
I don't remember. Do you have data logging on your car.

Stan

No, might get one of theses.https://www.gtechpro.com/

Not a smartphone guy and these do not use cell towers like a Draggy.
But the website is not showing what they used to. Not sure if I can still get one.

I could put a Grid in her with all the stuff, but about 3K.

[Gach]

Charlie‘s got one maybe he’ll let you borrow it. I do know his four-cylinder making 800 hp 200 hp per cylinder showed a 12.60 ET with the drag daddy.

[Dragncar]

Originally Posted by Gach

I’d like to hear from you…your big dissertation on why a 1050 actually flows 1130 cfm, as per Dragncars claims. I talk to Patrick at Pro Systems he’d love to hear your explanation.

Come on Stan get your formulas out punch in your program, we are all ears. Instead of coming after me maybe you could try and answer the OP question, or maybe you can create a formula for that. I know I know your still a David V student. I heard through the grapevine that one of the formulas that you have you actually stole from Dragncar. At least that’s what he told me once. And here I thought he was your buddy.

You need to stop all this stupid lame attempt at humor. You think you can make stuff up and its not a big deal.
You need a shrink.
1050s flow, on a flow bench @ 12"V 1213cfm dry, no fuel and 1121 cfm wet, with fuel.
A 850 flows 1030 cfm dry and 956 cfm wet.
These are with polished venturies and milled throttle shafts with adds about 30 cfm.
You just learned something today.

[Stan Weiss]

Originally Posted by Gach

That wasn’t the answer to OP question, (plug heat range.) Is what he asked, I mean come on going from a 1050 to a 850 is definitely going to make less hp, the motor was dyno and dyno guys telling him he needs a colder plug.

Gach,
Sorry but that has been answered. No you can not just guess what changes will do or want. The engine will tell you. If the OP can can read his spark plugs then he needs to find someone who can.

Stran

[Gach]

You can put it in car when you go to drag strip, Super easy to hook up.

[Gach]

Originally Posted by Stan Weiss

Gach,
Sorry but that has been answered. No you can not just guess what changes will do or want. The engine will tell you. If the OP can can read his spark plugs then he needs to find someone who can.

Stran

I know that was my first response. That’s why I didn’t understand your snippet from Steve

[Dragncar]

Originally Posted by Gach

You are blocked but if someone copies your post in a reply for some reason I can still see them. LOL Mike runs that Comp Cam with lifter bore Brace. In his stock block…for last two years..LOL. It’s actually 195-200. No issues. Which is exactly what you said you were going to do. But then for some reason you got paranoid. He was hoping to learn something from your pump gas stroker motor build, 700 plus hp. Because he never got that out of his combo he thought he could learn something from you. He just don’t understand why now all of a sudden you’re going backwards. LOL spent all that money on that dominator to turn around and run 850. He was anxious to see how much you’d pick up because he doesn’t run all that stuff, back cut rings, vacuum pump, crank trigger, 2” tube headers and Merge collector, or a pan with a double scraper. Or a super modified oil pump. His only problem is you’re not gonna back up your claims most power pump gas stroker motor. So yeah he’s very disappointed. So I can see as usual my post went right over your head. I thought the purpose of the board was to learn and get help from each other. After following your 3 year build he’s very disappointed. He kept telling me Gach your wrong you should listen to Dragncar. LOL

Nothing you say goes over my head. Only in your mind.
I have no plans to beat and beat on this engine pushing stock block limits. I can but a bigger carb on and see what it will make and that will be fine.
All the stuff I did was to get the most power out of what I had.
And that oil pump and pickup you keep blabbering about got my a instant 100 lbs oil pressure with 30 WT and a nice 80lbs with 10-30.
But you talked so much untrue stuff about it in my thread you got it closed.
You know, try and learn and help others learn.
But, you "Gached" it, your MO.

[Stan Weiss]

Originally Posted by Dragncar

You need to stop all this stupid lame attempt at humor. You think you can make stuff up and its not a big deal.
You need a shrink.
1050s flow, on a flow bench @ 12"V 1213cfm dry, no fuel and 1121 cfm wet, with fuel.
A 850 flows 1030 cfm dry and 956 cfm wet.
These are with polished venturies and milled throttle shafts with adds about 30 cfm.
You just learned something today.

Holley rates their carbs at 1.5" hg. If an engine at WOT peak RPM pulls more than 1.5"hg the carb will flow more cfm than its rating. Then why go to a large carb? It take work from the engine to pull 1050 cfm @ 2.5" hg that it does at 1" hg. The increase in HP from a carb change can roughly be calculated based on the difference in pressure differential.

Stan

[Stan Weiss]

Originally Posted by Gach

I know that was my first response. That’s why I didn’t understand your snippet from Steve

Gach,
The vacuum gauge reading is what the engine is saying about how it like that carb size.

Stan

[Gach]

Yes it did it went right over your head. You trying to dispute little picky points like oil pump and pressure it produces. Which has nothing whatsoever to do with a meaning of my post. I mean you spent three years building this morning with your big dream of having the must powerful stroker pump gas motor. 700 + hp. That in the real world is never going to materialize. Because your excuse now is you’re paranoid about the block and after all you’re going to be doing is bracket racing.