[PontiacHO]

Originally Posted by steve25

Basically the 067 cam had 7 more degrees of exh duration and 1 degree less in overlap, and both had the same .406 valve lift.
So the 067 hung in there a little better above 4500 rpm with the stock exh manifolds.

Seems like the 066 is better for a street 350 in my opinion.

[Stan Weiss]

Originally Posted by steve25

Basically the 067 cam had 7 more degrees of exh duration and 1 degree less in overlap, and both had the same .406 valve lift.
So the 067 hung in there a little better above 4500 rpm with the stock exh manifolds.

Unless the specs I have are wrong. It looks like while they have the same intake lobe, the 066 has the ICL 6 degree adanvced compared to the 067.

Stan

[NateOld687]

Thanks everyone for the great advice, the oil filter will get rerouted and flipped over for sure as for the intake manifold I will eventually change it but atm I wanna get this thing back on the road asap shake it down the rest of the summer and get a new intake in the winter months..also I love the colors of it!! My first muscle car btw

[tooski]

Torker 1 with 600 vac Holley and headers turned my 350 from 15.8 sec into a 15.7 sec screamer in the 1/4.

[scott70]

A torquer 1 intake killed my low end torque on a street geared 455 ,, installed a factory intake and you’d thought it had gained 100 hp. That’s intake belongs no where near a 350. A performer intake or stock iron would be perfect.

[Sirrotica]

I've always found that the T I Torker isn't suitable for any street driven car. Edelbrock stumbled with this intake during development, and it took them forever to get it to market, they never however got it right before release. The main thing is naming it a "Torker" when all it accomplishes is a low end loss of torque.

The rear half of the manifold does work, and that is substantiated by S/S racers cutting 2 back halves and welding them back together. If you want to have a 50% efficient manifold, they got you covered.

I screwed around with one on a 428 circle track engine modifying it with a divider plate etc. and never got any better results than a good dual plane, or a Holley street dominator. If you want a good single plane street intake, the HSD is a much better choice. I've never tried the T II intake, so I can't comment, but from documented write ups it is a butt load better than the T I. If the T I was a success, there would be no need, nor market for a T II intake.

Holley made their single plane intake much better that Edelbrocks first attempt at a Pontiac single plane. Like the adage that you don't hit a home run every time you step up to the plate, this was Edelbrocks strike out.

You can take a good running street engine and swap a TI, and make it run like a turd. I have seen it over and over where you lose performance, especially low end by swapping a TI over a stock factory cast iron engine.

The T I should probably be relegated to a lightweight doorstop, or a conversational starter for a coffee table. If you have 2 of them you could cut and splice them together to make a S/S intake for 7000 RPM drag engine.

The engineers at Pontiac made a very good cast iron intake, the aftermarkets attempts at making better intakes that showed a night and day difference in performance haven't been all that inspiring, especially for street engines. It's tough to beat the Pontiac intake, except for the weight factor.

[srmmmm]

350/413 stroker with 9.3 CR
6X-4 Heads
Comp XE276HR w/1.5 rockers
800cfm Q-Jet
442 LB FT@4300
453HP@5600

I'm happy with my port matched Torker-I. Give it a chance with a good carb.
Haven't had a chance to run it down the strip yet, but with a 2600 stall converter and 3.23 gears it will spin the tires all the way through 1st gear. Well, I should say it would until the intermediate sprag detonatated in the transmission.

[mgarblik]

With all the truly horrible factory intake manifolds produced by other manufacturers, I can see the need for aftermarket solutions/improvements. As mentioned, Pontiac was not among them. Their factory dual plane intakes were excellent, an "air gap" design and a semi-high rise. Reinventing the wheel for a Pontiac dual plane was a fool's errand IMO. Other than a few lbs. nothing to be gained. And millions were produced and still inexpensive.

[scott70]

Originally Posted by Sirrotica

I've always found that the T I Torker isn't suitable for any street driven car. Edelbrock stumbled with this intake during development, and it took them forever to get it to market, they never however got it right before release. The main thing is naming it a "Torker" when all it accomplishes is a low end loss of torque.

The rear half of the manifold does work, and that is substantiated by S/S racers cutting 2 back halves and welding them back together. If you want to have a 50% efficient manifold, they got you covered.

I screwed around with one on a 428 circle track engine modifying it with a divider plate etc. and never got any better results than a good dual plane, or a Holley street dominator. If you want a good single plane street intake, the HSD is a much better choice. I've never tried the T II intake, so I can't comment, but from documented write ups it is a butt load better than the T I. If the T I was a success, there would be no need, nor market for a T II intake.

Holley made their single plane intake much better that Edelbrocks first attempt at a Pontiac single plane. Like the adage that you don't hit a home run every time you step up to the plate, this was Edelbrocks strike out.

You can take a good running street engine and swap a TI, and make it run like a turd. I have seen it over and over where you lose performance, especially low end by swapping a TI over a stock factory cast iron engine.

The T I should probably be relegated to a lightweight doorstop, or a conversational starter for a coffee table. If you have 2 of them you could cut and splice them together to make a S/S intake for 7000 RPM drag engine.

The engineers at Pontiac made a very good cast iron intake, the aftermarkets attempts at making better intakes that showed a night and day difference in performance haven't been all that inspiring, especially for street engines. It's tough to beat the Pontiac intake, except for the weight factor.

I ran a T2 intake for quite a while. Good intake for a car with mild modifications . Port’s aren’t huge so it still had good low end.

[NateOld687]

The floor shifter top and bottom also the loose wire coming from my trans, I think the loose wire from trans is for cruise?

[johnta1]

oem neutral safety switch attached underneath the dash around the steering column aswell..

This is what you need to get working for the neutral switch.
The purple wire(s) are what go to the starter from the inside switch.
Since the original column is swapped, probably no back drive linkage (as was said).

Most when using a different shifter or with headers (as said) makeshift a switch on the new shifter using the 2 purple wires.

But you need to know there is a lot of current going through it when cranking.
Some use a relay from shifter micro switch to run the power to the starter.

The reverse light will not work either (or on all the time if in right position) when the back drive linkage is gone.
(needs another switch setup)

[NateOld687]

I am going to remove intake manifold and valley pan tonight for starters and see what I disco er

[NateOld687]

So I took the cover off of the floor shifter and there are no micro switches or wiring anywhere near it, crawled underneath and same thing no switches or wires..now the old column shift neutral safety switch is still there and all plugged in aswell..I'm pretty confused as to what to do..I'll take some pictures here shortly and do a show and tell 😀

[steve25]

Yes, I did not post up the full details like others have since I was out at a cruse and just going by memory.

[NateOld687]

Yeah I'll be the only one driving it, it needs to get on the road asap, then over the winter I can dink around with the minor details, just needs a good shake down..I've yet to here it run, also only has open headers atm

I have though relocated the remote oil filter, wire wheeled entire underside of the car and discovered a bunch of new parts that appear to have never been used like fuel lines/gas tank/front disk brakes/thermostat etc. Etc. It appears to me that someone was putting it together then just stopped, so with limited history known about the car I've done my best to finish the build..I knew what I was getting into but idc

Shikaka will be on the road again before summers end!!

[gto4ben]

It looks like you have a 1972 M38 3 speed Pontiac automatic (Turbo 350). I have one from 1971. These can be identified by the shape of the pan.

[NateOld687]

She is alittle rough..these are gonna be the "before" pics 👍

[Squidward]

Welcome! Cool car, just the way I like them!

I love your mentality to get it running and drivable.

I've used an add-on NSS:
https://www.summitracing.com/parts/s...RoCbR8QAvD_BwE

Requires a little bit of wire routing. I have that setup laying around in a box somewhere, never had a problem with it.

But with regards to having no NSS, I installed a set of gauges at the console on my 67 FB, with the NSS jumped out. During the install I had the shifter in low to get it out of the way. Pleased with my install, I touched it over to see things work, and it launched the car into my workbench. I am fortunate it didn't plow through the wall into the laundry room. So as long as you don't do dumb stuff...

The shifter I have now has the NSS at the shifter. I've also been checked for a working NSS at drag strip tech inspects, so there's that.

Run that 350!!!!

That intake is whacked, but works for the moment. If you like having a little elevation to your intake: I use something like these, when they were branded with a name like "Crosswind" or something.
https://www.speedmaster79.com/Pontia...nifold-Satin_2
It's a knock off of the Performer RPM. Dual plane, dual pattern for your choice of carb, fits better than the Performer RPM, eliminates the exhaust crossover, keeps your carb cooler, fits with old/late head intake gaskets (IIRC), and makes a nice place under the intake to route wiring/vacuum hoses. Of course, if you care about Qjets and chokes and stuff, it might not be a best choice.

I hate cast iron intakes. If I wanted to pump iron, there are gyms and prisons for that.

[steve25]

Nate, why don’t you start your own fresh post on your no crank issue instead of hi hacking this one.

[NateOld687]

Originally Posted by steve25

Nate, why don’t you start your own fresh post on your no crank issue instead of hi hacking this one.

Sorry bud idk what I'm doing, I'm new here and to the whole pontiac scene, I started this post didn't I?