[GTOnly70]

Originally Posted by Baron Von Zeppelin

Zone 16 - Car 00038 is not on this list yet.
Will check their website.
I looked at it on eBang.

They used 1968 Radiator support and fan shroud parts.
All the glass looks clear.
No GTO emblem on dash
Black stripes instead of Blue
15" wheels with Red center caps

EDIT : Restamped Block with VIN down low , instead of up high (Atlanta 1969)
wrong font also - and crookedly /staggeredly

There are a lot of obvious things wrong with that car for $125k. Funny that they point out in the text that the 15" wheels are correct...

[Baron Von Zeppelin]

Originally Posted by johnta1

Updated both pages:

Pattern Judge Table with zone dealer


Pattern Judge Sort Table



Is the one with the zone dealer number the one preferred?
(over the other one)

Don't want to get too much extra data in it?

The one with the zone lot number is a good feature. Might be handy at some point.
Think I would list it row 3 instead of row 2 , since we are focusing on Zone and Order Number/Car Number.

And would be easier to discern the cars per Zone if they were in Order Number/Car Number sequence.
Easier to see the low and the high for each zone.
Are they currently sequenced by VIN ?

[Baron Von Zeppelin]

Maybe if space allows - storage lot or inventory lot as the heading- instead of dealer number heading -
for the 991 992 993 etc column.

[johnta1]

In the page, they are sequenced by the Zone number.
The zone numbers were not in order if in numerical Vin (per plant).

I can do it with VIN exposed if wanted?

[Baron Von Zeppelin]

Originally Posted by johnta1

In the page, they are sequenced by the Zone number.
The zone numbers were not in order if in numerical Vin (per plant).

I can do it with VIN exposed if wanted?

The VIN is good too , except in a case where owner requests not to.
I vote to sequence them by Zone as they are - further sequence each zone by order number.

for fake example :
02 - 00024
02 - 00037
02 - 00048
02 - 00059
02 - 00084

03 - 00019
03 - 00027
03 - 00099
03 - 00104

Easier to see the low and high per zone

[north]

Originally Posted by Baron Von Zeppelin

If someone has the Invoice for this car -
07 00027 152820 B1xxxxx - 02/14 Shelton Pontiac-Buick Rochester MI

That Invoice Number can't be right @ 152820
Needs to be double checked.
The others dont start running until the 4xxxxx ranges

Invoice numbers run parallel to when the cars were billed out to dealer.

Here it is

[johnta1]

New page with additions.


Pattern Judges Sort Table

[Baron Von Zeppelin]

Ultra Deluxe on that set up John .
Very comprehensive and easy to navigate.

[johnta1]

Added one more pattern Judge and changed some Ident #'s for easier sorting.

[johnta1]

Here's a possible pattern Judge.


The buildsheet and PHS are not real good and partial.


The buildsheet has the order number I have a pointer to that looks like 00006 with a digit can't make out.









This sheet looks like the one that is for pattern # 17 with the last digit hard to see or rubbed off or something.





Both Framingham Plant.


Need a good PHS of the G127252 PHS for best case.

[Baron Von Zeppelin]

Car VIN G125205 Buildsheet is for Car 29-00017
It is already on the Big List .
The 00017 Zone Order Number order number is on the top line of the text body of the Bsheet
186276 - 000017

The 00001 down lower means it was Car #1 in that Zone. (00017)
I do not believe there is a missing 7 on that line.
Although I do remember years ago some speculating it was missing a 7.
Newer info we have now leads me to that decision.
(see Car #6 below)

[Baron Von Zeppelin]

Car VIN G127252 Buildsheet is for Car 07- 00022
It is not on the Big List
The line we need that would show it's Zone Order Number is missing/illegible.
The 00006 down lower will make it Car #6 in that Zone (00022)
(see above - per car #1 = 00017 ,,,,, there is no car lower than 00017)

That also fits in line by it's Invoice Number 493999 being lower than the previous lowest Invoice Number in that Zone
of 494051 for car 07-00027

This is all working out totally flush.
Good Stuff !

The BHC threw me a small curve.
The State Codes are TO: 21 / FROM: 21 (Michigan)
PMD Plant wasn't building Judges yet.
The State Codes are for the Zone Lot it was at in Michigan Lot #992 , Zone 07 (FROM)
And it sold to Packer Pontiac in Detroit (TO)

[Baron Von Zeppelin]

07 00022 493999 G127252 992 - 02/14 Packer Pontiac Detroit MI

07 00027 494051 B152820 992 - 02/14 Shelton Pontiac-Buick Rochester MI

[johnta1]

Updated web page:


69 Pattern Judges

[Baron Von Zeppelin]

Updated "Quick List"
Added Cars 17-00055 + 16-00038 + 07-00022

01 - 29, 54, 57, 64, 65
02 - 46, 51, 70, 74, 76, 119
03 - 19, 34, 35 40, 49, 55, 55, 67, 78
04 - 45, 46, 51 52, 59
05 -
06 - 44, 46
07 - 22, 27, 40, 52
08 - 18, 35, 41, 58
09 - 21, 24, 27, 41, 42, 54, 56, 66
10 - 32, 59, 73, 77
11 -
12 - 21, 49, 59, 61, 64
13 - 39, 41, 45
14 - 22, 33
15 - 22, 31
16 - 30, 38, 43, 59, 62
17 - 20, 29, 42, 43, 55, 56, 58
18 - 22, 29, 35, 47, 51, 61, 71, 81
19 - 17, 24, 27
20 - 17, 31, 45, 47
21 - 33, 35, 53, 55, 72
22 - 51
23 - 17, 29, 45, 60, 71, 85, 86
24 - 17, 19, 29, 51, 62, 80, 89, 95, 103, 106, 118, 119, 143
25 - 26, 32, 45, 53, 61, 62, 63
27 - 34, 37
28 -
29 - 17, 36, 58, 61, 71, 81

[Baron Von Zeppelin]

John or North - do either of you have anything on Car 24-00017 ?

It's in my list , but not on Johns list .
My quick list shows 5 #00017 Cars
John has 4 of them

[johnta1]

Here is a different page with the plants in their own table.

Sort by Plant

John or North - do either of you have anything on Car 24-00017 ?

I don't have it that I can see. But I need to go through all I have to see if I missed any from North.

[Baron Von Zeppelin]

I checked back on Norths original list,
he has the Zone 24 - Car 00017 on his list.

My list is just his list , in a different format.
I need to cross reference against your list and see if I am missing any of those.

He has a Car 17 in Zones 19 , 20 , 23 , 24 , 29

0 from Arlington
2 from Atlanta
0 from Baltimore
2 from Fremont
1 from Framingham

[Baron Von Zeppelin]

Yes
There are numerous cars that he doesn't show , or you don't show , between the lists.
That is just from the first 3 Zones so far

Would be great if somehow your expanded data list by Zone had them all with their details.
Might be a tough job

Will try to start plinking away at listing the variations.

[Baron Von Zeppelin]

Zone 1
J - 29, 54, 58, 64, 65
N - 29, 54, 57, 64, 65

Zone 2
J - 68, 74, 76, 119
N - 46, 51, 70, 74, 76, 119

Zone 3
J - 19, 34, 35, 49, 55, 67
N - 19, 34, 35, 40, 49, 55, 67, 78

Zone 4
J - 45, 46, 51, 52, 59
N - 45, 46, 51, 52, 59

Zone 6
J - 44, 46, XX
N - 44, 46

Zone 7
J - 22, 27, 40, 52
N - 22, 27, 40, 52

Zone 8
J - 35, 41
N - 18, 35, 41, 58

Zone 9
J - 21, 24, 41, 42, 54, 56
N - 21, 24, 27, 41, 42, 54, 56, 66

Zone 10
J - 32, 73, 77
N - 32, 59, 73, 77


Will do some more Zones after while ........