[Baron Von Zeppelin]

In haste i overlooked that there are 3 Cameo JVerts. sorry
And then dropped them down to 15. lol yeh

The image in my mind about humping the chrome off the rear bumper of a WT7 JVert was just too overwhelming in the moment i guess. My apologies to all.

It would be 1 of x-teen in 2 different dimensions, hows that.

[Judge273]

That's going to get some guys thinking....Those things are purty!

[Lloyd-TX]

Originally Posted by Baron Von Zeppelin

Sir Hoogenmeister

I want your help please sir.
Need some 71 Judge Pont Mich built - buildsheets.

Noticed all these Verts were built in Pontiac Michigan plant.
Can you get a hold of a couple // few ??
Or already have some of them ?

They don't even have to be Verts
Just Pont Mich 71 Judges - if you have some.

Thanky mucho gracios

Todd - I have exactly one Pontiac plant, 1971 Judge GM of Canada invoice (which as you know has much more detail than a PHS invoice). Happens to be a Cameo, WT7, hood tach, M22, G60 tire car. Hardtop, though. Still - pretty damned rare . . .

Also have the PHS invoice and build order for a Pontiac plant Starlight '71 Judge. Also a hardtop, with honeys and G60's. M40 car. Build order is rather difficult to read, though.

Lemme know if you want any of them, and I'll shoot them to you.

EDIT Just found a Pontiac plant '71 Judge WT7 build order as well . . .

EDIT #2 Never mind, Todd. Just looked through the WT7 thread and it appears you already have the ones I have. Oh well . . .

[Baron Von Zeppelin]

Lloyd .................. lol
dammm u


You had me all worked up.
Went and cleaned out room in my PM box,
Came back to respond here / send PM .....
all excited and happy

and you edited again as being duplicates we already have !!
UUUUGGGGH

If i had a gun with 2 bullets - locked in a room with my 2 worst enemies -
and Lloyd was present to witness the executions -


i'd shoot Lloyd twice and let the enemies walk out.

J/K Lloyd

BANG!
BANG!
ooops lol

[Baron Von Zeppelin]

Lloyd,

I pm'd Henley about the 71 Red 4spd Judge Hdtp he bought a few years back.
He posted a tiny version of PHS in his thread.
Found his buildsheet and was supposed to post it too.
Never did it tho .

Hope to hear back on that.
It was a Pontiac plant car.

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Did you get the buildsheet from eBay auction when the totalled/clapped out/run over with tractor/ parted out and left to die Blue 71 Judge 4spd Hdtp was resurected ?

It was painted Red before it was all crashed and trashed.
Just to refresh memories.

[muscle_collector]

Originally Posted by Lloyd-TX

Todd - I have exactly one Pontiac plant, 1971 Judge GM of Canada invoice (which as you know has much more detail than a PHS invoice). Happens to be a Cameo, WT7, hood tach, M22, G60 tire car. Hardtop, though. Still - pretty damned rare . . .

Also have the PHS invoice and build order for a Pontiac plant Starlight '71 Judge. Also a hardtop, with honeys and G60's. M40 car. Build order is rather difficult to read, though.

Lemme know if you want any of them, and I'll shoot them to you.

EDIT Just found a Pontiac plant '71 Judge WT7 build order as well . . .

EDIT #2 Never mind, Todd. Just looked through the WT7 thread and it appears you already have the ones I have. Oh well . . .

lloyd, where did that black 71 judge come from??? post the phs if you dont mind. one of them was from here in tulsa.

[Uncle Judge]

Originally Posted by muscle_collector

lloyd, where did that black 71 judge come from??? post the phs if you dont mind. one of them was from here in tulsa.

Gary, I would imagine that is the one that came out of New York. The Mariacher's owned it for a while. Very neat car. Black with Ivory interior. I remember that car having 15" Honeys.

[Baron Von Zeppelin]

Originally Posted by Uncle Judge

Gary, I would imagine that is the one that came out of New York. The Mariacher's owned it for a while. Very neat car. Black with Ivory interior. I remember that car having 15" Honeys.

Buildsheet shows dealer number 05163 if that helps until Lloyd gets back.
I don't have Invoice on that car.

M_C - don't you have any 71 Judge Buildsheets you can share me ?

[Baron Von Zeppelin]

Google = Fox Motors, 39 Buffalo St, Gowanda NY 14070

via ultimategto.com reference

[Lloyd-TX]

Originally Posted by Baron Von Zeppelin

Lloyd .................. lol
dammm u


You had me all worked up.
Went and cleaned out room in my PM box,
Came back to respond here / send PM .....
all excited and happy

and you edited again as being duplicates we already have !!
UUUUGGGGH

If i had a gun with 2 bullets - locked in a room with my 2 worst enemies -
and Lloyd was present to witness the executions -


i'd shoot Lloyd twice and let the enemies walk out.

J/K Lloyd

BANG!
BANG!
ooops lol

BVZ - you DO crack me up, my friend.

Seriously though . . .










































Have you thought of switching to decaf?

[Lloyd-TX]

Originally Posted by muscle_collector

lloyd, where did that black 71 judge come from??? post the phs if you dont mind. one of them was from here in tulsa.

Gary - it was out of NY - as Jeff replied. Docs are in the other thread, but here they are again, for your viewing pleasure . . .

[muscle_collector]

i do remember that car now. bvz, the only build sheet i have is the one to my old 71 judge convert. i have never even looked for one in any of my other 71 judges. i guess i really never had any need to dig for them when i have copies of the phs.

[Steve Hoog]

I had a folder of scanned build sheets of various cars hidden somewhere here in my computer; don't know if I can find it again, but if I do I will post them.

[Held for Ransom]

Originally Posted by steved400

I had a folder of scanned build sheets of various cars hidden somewhere here in my computer; don't know if I can find it again, but if I do I will post them.

Thanks Steve.

[Baron Von Zeppelin]

Steve you had a sh!t ton of e-buildsheets just like i did - maybe even more.
And so many e-Invoices too !

We hunted those things like fish in a barrel for a pretty good spell years back. lol
Mine are locked in crashed microshack boxes.

Sure hope you find your stash.
Knafels BobCats JVerts Racers TestCars all the wild ones

[The Boss]

Weren't all of the 71 & 72 A-Body verts built at the Pontiac Plant? I don't believe I've ever come across one that wasn't.

Does anybody have the contact info on the current owner of car #4 - Gary D's old car? Was purchased at the Milt Robson auction - November 2010 & has possibly changed hands since. PM or e-mail please if you do. [email protected] Thanks.

[Baron Von Zeppelin]

Originally Posted by The Boss

... Gary D's old car? Was purchased at the Milt Robson auction - November 2010 & has possibly changed hands since.

I wouldn't be too surprised about that.
Someone got a really fair price on that car with all things considered.
Top Notch Resto, and one of the few 4speeds.

Milt probably went upside down or barely broke even on it.
He had too many top rankers being sold at one time. imho

[The Boss]

Rumor has it #12 will be at Mecum Dallas October 6-8.

[Judge273]

The “17” 1971 Pontiac Judge Convertibles

The original collection of information of these cars was probably collected by Fred Simmons of PMD.

I am always looking new information; please email me with any help you are willing to share. [email protected] or 918-260-0151.

Eric Stevens is running a 71 GTO registry, please take the time if you are lucky enough to have one of these cars:
Registry Form in a WordPad or Html

Color chips A and B

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1. Cameo White, ivory, white, Auto VIN # 242671P131352 Pontiac Invoice
Previous owners Bill Wieman in AZ and Mike Green in CA. Sold at Mecum Indy Spring auction May 22, 2010, new owner unknown to me at this time.

2. Cameo White, ivory, white, Auto
Dr. Tom Lane’s: The car was bought by Roger Norris in 1979 from Dr. Tom Lane in Levittown, PA and still remains with the Norris Family here in the US.
A nice picture provided by gto4door from PY

3. Cameo white, black, black, Auto
No information

4. Quezal Gold, black, black, 4 Speed VIN # 242671P121426
Current owner Milt Robson in Georgia was Gary Daniels in Tulsa probably sold for $300,000+, prior to Gary was owned by the original purchaser who painted it blue in before taking delivery: Current Options RM Auctions is selling this car (no reserve) on Nov.13, 2010 at Milt's estate in Georgia (I’ve heard this is an on and off deal with this particular car, guess we shall see on 11/13)

5. Aztec Gold, sienna, sandalwood, Auto
No information

6. Aztec Gold, ivory, white, 4 Speed
It’s been a long standing rumor that this car was totaled just after it was sold new; within the circle of those who are “in the know”.

7. Special paint Camaro Rally Green, ivory, white, Auto
Current owner Mike Green in California, originally from FL and the original motor was last reported in FL with a previous owner.

8. Tropical Lime, black, black, Auto VIN # 242671P110472 Pontiac invoice
Was Dan McKinnon's in VA; in Canada and for sale at Legendary Motor, possibly in Texas at the moment.

9. Tropical lime, black, white, Auto VIN # 242671P101929 Pontiac invoice
Current owner Alan Reed, was in Kansas for 20 plus years. Additional Pictures: 1 2 3 4 5

10. Cardinal red, black, white, Auto VIN # 242671P104128 (Note: VIN is not verified by invoice or owner)
Current owner Steve Ames, un restored.

11. Cardinal Red, black, black, 4 Speed VIN # 242671P106957 Pontiac invoice
Current owner Kevin Suydam in Seattle; was Gary Cave's, was in Sweden before Gary. The car in Sweden back in the 70’s: Picture

12. Laurentian Green, black, black, Auto VIN # 242671P110372 Pontiac invoice
Was Steve and Noreen Brown's; restored by Scott Tiemann, Sold 12/10/05 at auction for $197,500 +10% auction buyers fee. As can be seen by the color codes the top color has been changed, possibly in Texas at the moment. Additional Pictures: 1 2 3 4

13. Laurentian Green, ivory, white, Auto
Current owner Mike Green in California, from Colorado before that. Picture from 1971 and most current picture: 1971 Current

14. Canyon Copper, sienna, sandalwood, Auto VIN # 242671P110916 Pontiac Invoice
Current owner Ron Johnson of Potomac Classic bought this car in pieces and is now having it restored. PA. Ron has no intentions of selling the car at this time.

15. Starlight Black, sienna, white, Auto
Rumored to have been destroyed in a fire sometime in the 80’s.

16. Lucerne Blue, blue, white, Auto VIN # 242671P1*****
Current owner ID fvgramps on Performance years, after restoration pics: 1 2 Options: "Judge" pkg, Safe-T-Track, P/B Radio, PS, PB, Mats frt/rear, Console, Turbo Hydromatic, Rally wheels, MSRP $4865.05.

17. Castilian Bronze, Sienna, Sandlewood, Auto VIN # 242671P110366 Pontiac invoice
Current owner Tom Stutzman in Georgia. Current picture: Current

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Below is information provided by various interested parties.

The special paint car was painted a color that is close to 69 Camaro Rally Green, ordered by a Florida dealer to pay tribute to Florida's state symbol the Alligator. It is probably close to being fully restored

One of the board members from Classical Pontiac had an interesting accounting, as follows: gmman Bio 8/10/05 8:30 There was a Green 71 Judge convertible here in Fla back in the 80s which I looked at and was purchased for $750 dollars by someone named Earl but the car did not have the numbers matching engine. The previous owner pulled the engine to restore the car and never got around to restoring the car. He drove it with another 455 engine and sold it to Earl Ostericher who advertises in Hemmings. Earl had the car for sale around 1988 and sold it to a person on the west coast for $8,000. The previous owner still has knowledge of the original 455HO engine but the current owner wants to buy the engine back for a cheap price. This same owner sold another numbers matching 71 Judge convertible White for over $100k but was real cheap on his offer on the engine which still resides in Florida. Go figure

Update from a web veiwer8/23/05: Hello Steve, I have seen your post on Performance Years Website for the 71 Judge Conv and I wanted to provide you with some updated info. First, car number 3, the picture you have linked/displayed is actually a 70 GTO Conv with Judge stripes. I know this because I was the show coordinator and have other pictures from other angles that can verify this. Also the car was owned by a friend of mine. Secondly, Car # 14 is in Georgia, I have seen it multiple times, I thought it was to be at the GTO Nats this year but it was not. The car is should be or 95% done a frame off resto, the last time I saw it; it looked very, very nice. Unfortunately I do not have any pics of the car or have the VIN for it. I know it is real because I remember the car being for sale about 5 yrs ago up in New York or the North East and then going to this guys shop and seeing the car. If I can be of further assistance, please let me know. Steve: So I have removed the info on car 3, and listed 14 as in GA, hopefully a pic will turn up soon.

Uncle Judge from Performance Years board had this: Hey Steve, I am fairly certain that the Cardinal Red car (#10) is the one that Steve Ames bought out of my town in the late 80's or very early 90's. The car had been in the same family for years and was passed down from a Factory Zone Rep. That one was an original Red car with a TH400. Kevin at Ames confirmed this to be true. 8/23/05


Hope Steve doesn't mind a post on the 71 Judges. Good point on list that have 7 M22/10 M40 Judge verts..

For the links and pix go to the master list: http://www.428gto.com/71judge.htm

[Baron Von Zeppelin]

Any chance the 3 UnKnowns were actually 4speed cars ?

Or have all these 71 JVerts had their Invoices pulled and been confirmed, by other means ? Such as PHS institution.

Guess this means i need to start back at the beginning of thread again........