[1beautifuldaughter]

Hello, PY users, New to the sight, I am the owner of the 71 gto judge that recently did not sell on Ebay, During the listing I was informed by one of your members that my car may be a rare option code WT7 black wing car, Very interesting to know. I would like to start by thanking everyone for the input. I always wished I could learn more about the car and how many where built like it , colors etc. I wish I could somehow contact the original owner, to really put things right, I know that he owned a service station in Tawas michigan, Known as Clydes Standard service station,, east tawas michigan. I assume this because I was told he owned a service station, and the car came with a extra set of keys with Clydes service station on the key chain with the address. He sold the car because his busness went under. Thanks for your help and in depth discusion about the car its been a real help

[johnta1]

Welcome to PY.



And you have a beautiful car.

[Judge273]

Welcome aboard! Your car is very nice and does have nice documentation. OO stuff is always a bonus. Neat to know the WT7 option came from a Michigan Judge.

I was alerted via email by the keen eye of another 71 WT7 owner with Canadian documentation. He called to my attention the theory of the "Pontiac" build sheet clues on your car.

That's why I started the thread as I felt someone here could verify with the knowledge base in this forum.

I wasn't the one who alerted you, but I do hope it makes your car cooler with more history than before....

[1beautifuldaughter]

Dont know how to use this sight, Dont know if I'm repying to one post or all,,, As for the repo air cleaner I bought on Ebay, cool , small world, I finally found a gm cleaner and restored it and sold yours for about what I bought it for, And the buyer was very happy with it too. Was A great temporary fit , Thanks. And thanks to the others who played a role in my finding out more about my car.

[OVERULD]

Welcome to the Forum and congrats on a great looking car. You did a terrific job with the restoration. You and I spoke not long after you bought the car; you bought a reproduction ram air breather I had for sale on eBay.

Hope you can track down the original owner -it would be cool to have his perspective on the car's history - especially that paint job!

BJ

[marxjunk]

welcome to the SITE,,,lol

[Baron Von Zeppelin]

Welcome to the PY Forum, 1 B D.
Glad you could join us.
Your Judge is a great specimen of WT7 heritage.
Its gotten me more interested in 71's.
Learned that 14" wheels were 71 Judge standard - where i had 'thunk' 15" was for 71.
The other buildsheet posted by J273 had JT rally's 14".

Maybe someone will be familiar with the area the car came from and have some more info for you. Good number of Michigan members on here.

On another note, if anyone has a dealer sales order sheet or similar criteria ...
what else could code #572 be - besides a luggage rack ?

[Held for Ransom]

I just wish the clear photos were, well, clear. I had better luck trying to read thru the glare.

[Baron Von Zeppelin]

LoL.... yeh i noticed the same thing.
Been using the plastic wrap example because it magnifies better.

1 B D - any chance you could scan your buildsheet in a scanner ?


Luggage racks only available on big wagons and little wagons.

So far .... it appears 57-2 / 572 is the actual rear spoiler (D80) itself.

Its not listed for GTO in sales order or options list, since it wasn't a factory available option on GTO or Lemans.

But 572 is listed as D80 rear spoiler for Firebird.

And 'some' of the few buildsheets i still have access to are Judges, and some have the D80 spoiler listed in bottom ledger breakout.

Just deductive reasoning for now.
...... to be continued .......

a couple // few more 70-71 Pont Mich Judge sheets would be nice

HELLO OUT THERE !

[birdsandgoats]

I am also the owner of a 71 WT7 car .I do have both the Canadian and the PHS for my car . I have not touched the car other than move it since I purchased it back in the 90s. I did not think that there would be this many that would be still around of the 15 that were built .I have not looked for the build sheet for this car yet and was wondering where they were found mostly in Pontiac built cars. If I can find it I will post it to compare to the others .

[Baron Von Zeppelin]

I think both the Pont Mich 71 Judge sheets in the other thread, were both found on top of the gas tanks. Good luck to you and hope you get yours.

Believe we have at least 4 of the 15 owned by members on this Forum.

[Baron Von Zeppelin]

Ha !
found another 71 Pont Mich Judge buildsheet.












Did some Googles.
Found this other one on Yenko site.
Its the Black with White interior Auto that was well kept unrestored, and had crazy Green decal package put on it in 75. Some will remember it i'm sure. It sold for around 60k in 07.

It has some more pix. One might be helpful about seatbelts/buckles.
Black car shows no custom/deluxe belts on sheet.
452 is custom front rear shoulder.
http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=257957&page=1


Anyway - it has 572 on the sheet also (or a 2 in column 57). So that is the Spoiler.
And 601 on the sheet (1 in column 60) {non-604 // WT7 car}.

Case closed on 1BD's WT7 Judge. Its a WT7.
Still be great to see BirdsAndGoats sheet if you can find it.
This one from the Black car looks like it came from the floorboard.

Things i'm still interested in is the PNT STR box directly under column 67, and DECAL box directly under column 68.

I think the PNT STR box is actually the Judge Decal Package color code - on Judges.
1BD's has an A.
The other 2 both have an E.

I think default stripe color was the Pinky Blues, on Black and Silver cars - and Non WT7 Whites. Maybe with some more sheets we can nail that detail down too.

The DECAL box i think might be something like for one of the info decals.
idunno yet - but all 3 are different in that box. WT7 =R, Silver =A, Black =C

They all have the same engine label (N).
They all have the same tire pressure label (KJ)
But they all 3 have diffy wheels is only general variation amongst all 3 i've found so far.
heckifino

[OVERULD]

BVZ
I know the owner of GMP and will call him to see if he may have an original copy of that photo of the art work for that box. I never even knew these two particular versions of the 71 Judge Vert were available from GMP. I have the Cameo White 'vert and then three other hard top models, Lucern, Starlight and Tropical all in the 1:18 scale.

BJ

[Held for Ransom]

1BD's build sheet states assembly started on 01-19.

[Baron Von Zeppelin]

That would be great if you could check on that BJ.
Thanks Man.

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Ransom, can you shed light on the upper left corner "Line Number" 0775 on 1BD's car ?

0122 on Silver

0198 on Black

[Held for Ransom]

I believe that's where it was placed on the line for the day. 1BD's would have been the 775th vehicle on the line for 1-19-71.

Does Steve Hoog (steved400) have copies on any of the Jvert build sheets? Seems he was keeping a thread going for a while, until his bad news.

[Baron Von Zeppelin]

No he doesn't have any. Just invoices.
But i've banging on his door all day trying to motivate him to get some of them.
Maybe some will start coming in soon.

[Keith Seymore]

Geez - I wish now I'd have taken a better picture....

[Held for Ransom]

The hood pins would have been dealer installed or purchased over-the-counter. Should be only factory installed on GT-37's.

The asterisk (*) indicated a standard (No charge, I believe) option for that particular grouping or model.

451 AK1 Custom Seat Belts and Front Shoulder belts
452 AK2 Custom Seat Belts with Front and Rear Shoulder Belts.
454 A39 Custom Seat Belts
Shoulder belts were black only. 1971 Fisher Body Manual has a basic picture on page 14-87.
http://www.forums.maxperformanceinc....d.php?t=669429 (wrong thread, that's for '72s)
http://www.buickperformance.com/RearShoulderBelts.htm

[Baron Von Zeppelin]

Good work on the rear shoulder belts GSX Buick Link, Ransom.

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Back on the stripe package / call-out decal codes:

This is Dr-Dougs 71 Silver Judge - the one we have the buildsheet for (one thats rusted down the middle). Still wearing whats left of factory paint/stripes/decals/call-outs.

Stripe package = E (blue) ..... CHECK
Decal call-outs = A (black) ..... CHECK

Theory is pretty much fact. And 3 for 3 so far.
Still would like more buildsheet examples though.
These codes should be very instrumental in folks proper restorations.

Doug's Judge has now been frame-off restored by him.
Haven't heard from him in a while though.