[andrewb70]

Originally Posted by Roar

They had a police guard there, he was one of the first he took out Insane the whole incident. May it never happen again.
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This is just a topic where one will never find an answer that is correct for all events.

Right. That is why it is better to carry a gun concealed, that way the bad guys don't know who to take out first. Very sad indeed.

Andrew

[Nomadac]

Originally Posted by Roar

Well in USA its to late to ban GUNs , the whole country is allready full of it. It is estimated there are over 21 million firearms owned in the U.S.

The sad truth about weapons is that actually there are more people killed by accident with guns (read children). This shuld be easy to fix if the owners learnt to keep them in a safe place where the children cant reach them.

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Deaths Due to Unintentional Injuries, 2000 (Estimates) (Chart compiled by GunCite. Source of data, except as noted, National Safety Council, Injury Facts, 2001 Edition, pp. 8-9, 84)
http://www.guncite.com/gun_control_gcgvacci.html


More children die from accidental drownings or burns than from gun accidents. I read there were more children that drowned in bathtubs the accidentally killed by firearms.

[quick67bird]

Originally Posted by Nomadac

Deaths Due to Unintentional Injuries, 2000 (Estimates) (Chart compiled by GunCite. Source of data, except as noted, National Safety Council, Injury Facts, 2001 Edition, pp. 8-9, 84)

Accident Type Age
0-4 5-14 15-24 25-44 45-64 65-74 75+ Total
All Autos 900 1,500 10,500 13,300 9,200 2,700 4,900 43,000
Falls 70 70 210 950 1,900 1,700 11,300 16,200
Poisoning 60 40 800 6,800 3,200 300 500 11,700
Pedestrian 250 300 750 1,300 1,400 450 850 5,300
Drowning 450 350 700 1,250 650 230 270 3,900
Fires, burns 400 260 240 700 800 500 700 3,600
Suffocation by ingested object
100 20 30 250 400 500 2,100 3,400
Firearms 20 60 150 190 110 30 40 600
Poisoning by gases, vapors
10 10 70 120 80 40 70 400
All other causes 700 400 1,100 3,000 3,200 1,600 4,500 14,500
TOTAL 2,700 2,700 13,800 26,600 19,500 7,600 24,400 97,300

More children die from accidental drownings or burns than from gun accidents. I read there were more children that drowned in bathtubs the accidentally killed by firearms.

Good points. I was just about to respond, but you saved me having to do the research. Thanks.

[Cobrabill]

Originally Posted by Roar

Well in USA its to late to ban GUNs , the whole country is allready full of it.

The sad truth about weapons is that actually there are more people killed by accident with guns (read children). This shuld be easy to fix if the owners learnt to keep them in a safe place where the children cant reach them.

Personally I dont mind if the bad guys get a bullet in their head. We had a tragedy here in Norway in July with a person going crazy, there it should have been someone with a tanks or something and flatten him to the ground.

You're "sadly" wrong.You must be getting your statistics from a liberal.

And how about this-If just one person was carrying a gun they could have KILLED HIM and saved all those lives.

[2002Z4CSS]

One less POS on the streets.

[moto-d]

Hm. Kinda adds a new twist to "Clean-up in aisle seven" over the PA.

[Region Warrior]

Friend and his wife didnt believe in guns till she was beat'n and robbed in the parking lot leaving a grocery store in full day light.
Saw'm aproaching but couldnt get in car before he started wack'n her arms and head.
Think a rubber hose isnt deadly?
Spent 2 days in hospital with head injuries.
Why he stopped? Another customer in the lot came run'n with gun in hand.
The a-hole took off before a safe shot could be taken. Shame...

[Sidponcho]

Now is the time for ALL law abiding citizens to keep and bear arms.

[TTOP350]

One down and many many to go... I'm glad he's gone.

[hurryinhoosier62]

Nomadac,

Thank you for posting the ICC (Indiana Criminal Code) reference. We Hoosiers have some of the most common sense-based gun laws in the country. BTW, I carry (Para GI Expert)!!

[A.W.Dille]

Well I grew up on a farm and Dad always had a couple of rifles and a shotgun. I got my first rifle when I was 12 and my shotgun when I was 14, both I still have. I also have two .50 caliber Thompson muzzleloaders, both sidelocks, a .44 Remington New Army, an 1861 .36 caliber Navy Colt and a .36 Spiller&Burr, all my pistols are blackpowder and with the exception of the shotgun all are almost always loaded. I normally carry either the .44 or the Colt about everytime I go out the door with the exception of going to the bank or grocery store as around here employees freak out if you walk into a large chain grocery store with a large revolver hanging on your hip. The small convienence stores don't have a problem with it as they seem more comfortable seeing me walk in,and these employees know me as I am in these stores just about everyday. And one of them an attempted robbery happened at a couple of months ago. Am I out to kill anyone? No. But if my hogleg prevents a crime then it is worth me carrying.

[Bob Dillon]

Originally Posted by Nomadac

This employee should be congratulated for protecting another employee and the customers in the store at the time.

But he won't be. As a matter of fact, I'll bet they fire him.

[LeighP]

Be even safer...aim for the centre of mass and keep firing till the threat is past.

A couple of years ago, a pair of armed robbers about to take down a bank were confronted by several police on stakeout here.....they ended up with about 30 holes between them and the press were quick to ask why were they shot so many times?
The answer...they were armed with automatic weapons and refused to surrender, while they were still on their feet holding the weapons, they kept getting shot...the shooting stopped when they were no longer a threat.

Sounds pretty reasonable to me.

Nothing wrong with people getting killed, as long as they're the right people....awful lot of low lifes in the world.

[Region Warrior]

Shame when an honest person makes a mistake.
Like think'n all States are free as thiers.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/45814610/ns/us_news/

[sleepy]

Originally Posted by Region Warrior

Shame when an honest person makes a mistake.
Like think'n all States are free as thiers.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/45814610/ns/us_news/

One of the first things they tell you in the permit class. Just because you have the permit here, doesn't mean other states will honor it. If you go out of state, CHECK THE LOCAL LAWS.

[wytnyt]

Originally Posted by sleepy

No answer NytWyt?.

call me by my name and youll get one,this isnt in the CH YET,of course in your defense,sometimes its hard to separate such a well honed persona

[sleepy]

Originally Posted by wytnyt

call me by my name and youll get one,this isnt in the CH YET,of course in your defense,sometimes its hard to separate such a well honed persona

You didn't respond long before that. What is the answer?

[wytnyt]

Originally Posted by sleepy

You didn't respond long before that. What is the answer?

you talking to me?
or nytwyt

[moto-d]

It really boils down to this: Many people who already believe in the benefits of concealed carry will find the evidence they need to vindicate their position in this Kroger example.

Likewise, those who do not believe in the benefits of concealed carry will find the evidence they need to vindicate their position in these examples: http://www.commondreams.org/newswire/2011/07/05-1

In short, I doubt anyone's mind will be changed from their current position, no matter which position they've taken, because their are cases to be made on both sides.

[Elarson]

Originally Posted by moto-d

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Likewise, those who do not believe in the benefits of concealed carry will find the evidence they need to vindicate their position in these examples: http://www.commondreams.org/newswire/2011/07/05-1

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Interesting article. Taking their facts at face value and crunching the math, you have 216 incidents in 31 states over a 4 year peiod. This boils down to 1.74 incidents per state per year.

For illustration, compare this to the number of people who have CCW permits in Ohio (246,760 as of the end of 2010). 1.74 incidents per year divided by 246,760 permit holders equals a failure rate of .0007%. This seems like an incredibly small percentage. I'm not sure I could name another human endeavor that has a failure rate so small.

FWIW,
Eric