[jerry455]

My wife is on her 3rd Camaro, 2010 V6 LS , 2013 SS and a 2017 2SS. The latest one is by far the best. She is 5'3" and absolutely loves everything about her car. She drives it year-round here in the Detroit Metro area. The 6th gen is amazing. The power in the "standard" LT1 is amazing and it handles great. She does not complain about all of the things that seem to bother others. She smiles every time she starts her car, and it growls back. My old boss was the chief engineer on the car, Al Oppenheiser, and they did a great job. GM did a horrible job of advertising the car. Dodge has done a fantastic job on their advertising. Who doesn't smile when they see them tearing around the road or parking lot. If we didn't have the Camaro, I could see us owning a Challenger. I used to have a 1971 R/T and still have fond memories of it.

[Stuart]

Take your arguments elsewhere, please. Saying the Challenger is better than the Camaro, or the Camaro is better than the Challenger, is pointless - it all comes down to personal needs and preferences.

[59safaricat]

Originally Posted by Stuart

Take your arguments elsewhere, please. Saying the Challenger is better than the Camaro, or the Camaro is better than the Challenger, is pointless - it all comes down to personal needs and preferences.

Enjoy all new muscle cars while they last, they will soon be gone.....again....for good.

[Scarebird]

Originally Posted by 59safaricat

Enjoy all new muscle cars while they last, they will soon be gone.....again....for good.

Not so sure on that.

Imagine a 2 door sport coupe the size of a late 90's Integra or Ferrari 360, AWD with 200+ mile range, superb handling and 13 second acceleration, hatch, large greenhouse with good visibility.

Not every pony car has to be a fire-breathing monster.

[unruhjonny]

I don’t think anyone actually said the any non-GM product was better per say.

I think the quibbling is that GM seems to have lost sight with what your every day driver wants in a car.

Even though I was still upset with GM for killing the Firebird, then Pontiac all together, on some level I wanted to like the Camaro, but they always seemed to miss the mark;
I really paid attention when the Mustang and Camaro came out with boosted four cylinder versions;
Not because I am all about four bangers, but they are generally on lower entry level priced cars, and can act as a decent stop gap from a sport compact to a real V8 pony car - and can be cheaper to drive based on fuel economy (smaller engines typically require less fuel).

IIRC one of the last articles/reviews on the 2.0l-turbo Camaro essentially summed it up to say that the car was boring in spite of all it had going for it on paper… even though the writer wanted to give it rave reviews, he just couldn’t - and that right there seems to get the jist of it…

GM is pouring money into cars that very few people younger than baby-boomers can afford (Caddilacs and mid engined Corvettes), then complains that they don’t sell enough of models that are intended for enthusiasts - meanwhile those same models intended for the enthusiast market miss the mark for the very same buying audience - and then they shoot themselves in the foot and try to upsell to that very market segment… which further hurts their model sales.

Meanwhile the other guys are making cars that the buying base respond to… and the sales numbers say it all.

I still love my daily driver;
If GM would have kept building them, I would have bought another.
I believe GM declared my daily driver to be a failure, in spite of the model being launched at an economic down turn which nearly bankrupt GM;
This Chevrolet(!) is a fantastic car that has gained something of a following in the time since it was discontinued;
I love the GM Performance Division seats, and this model held a Nürburgring record for (I believe it was) over a decade!

[Mr Anonymous]

I'd take a used Cadillac CT6 any day. Even with the occasionally troublesome Super Cruise. What a solid, high speed highway car. I'm 53, fat, angry, and need something worth owning.

[1965gp]

I really wanted to like the new Camaros. When they came out with that Synergy Green man I wanted that car. Same thing with the bright yellow 6th gen. My dad did too. We both drove it and it just wasn’t a comfortable car. It wasn’t enjoyable for me. When my truck was stolen I rented a Hendrick racing Camaro for a week. No convenient cup holders, no where to put my phone, the console was so big when I picked up my daughter she held her bag in her lap because it was too much effort to put it in the backseat.

Now I drive my other daughters Mustang and it is much easier, more convenient and has more places to put things.

In my opinion the car didn’t sell because it wasn’t comfortable. I think it looked good, had power, just wasn’t enjoyable.