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Heirloom64 · #1 12-13-2004, 05:12 AM

I just bought a 04 GTO to keep my 64 GTO company in the garage for the long winter. I will post a photo this spring of my two babies!!

Mr_GTO · #2 12-13-2004, 08:08 AM

Danny, again, Chevy didn't make the LS1. How many times do I have to tell you that? Or are you too ignorant to actually believe it?

Yup, the car is relabled as was the Pontiac GTO, relabled after an import. Amazing uh?

David, I have had one warranty issue with my Cavalier. It has 36K miles on it, gets 34mpg, has XM Radio and a sunroof. Cheap transportation. Sorry, but I wouldn't want any car that pontiac makes today to be called GTO. Not unless you wanted a Grand Am with FWD called a GTO. Then it would meet most of your criteria for being called a GTO but then again you would start bitching because it was FWD, could only get a Auto with it and be a V6.

RandyW · #3 12-15-2004, 03:58 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by Goathead:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>The GTO almost never had the strongest engine in Pontiac's stable. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>In 1964, the elimination of the previous year's Super Duty engines and modifications left performance enthusiasts with three 421 cid V8s available, rated at 320, 350, and 370 bhp.
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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>389 V8 335 bhp @ 5000 rpm, 431 lb-ft @ 3200 rpm. 389 V8 (3x2) 360 bhp @ 5200 <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

In 1964, you are telling me that the 421 with 10 more horses was the strongest engine in Pontiac's stable? Come on, even Champ will agree that that is splitting haires....

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It's not splitting hairs, it's cutting them off at the root! The so called 370 h.p. 421 in a '64 GTO was almost a second faster. There were dealers all over the country doing this for 'stock' class racing, to the point that at one time NHRA was having all GTO's checked! The two engines were fast, the '21 was just faster! You should know by now that a 10 h.p. difference in rating can mean a lot of things and does nothing to adress the big difference in torque curve.
My mom had a '65 2+2 with 421/376 (underated big time),that car ran a best of 13.65 with lots of tuning and small cheater slicks. That was very quick, but my brothers '65 GTO with Roughton Pontiac installed 421/376, with similar tuning, would run 12.90's all day. Both cars had 4.33 gears.

David Jones · #4 12-12-2004, 07:24 PM

You have a sweeeeeet 64.

racerboy · #5 12-28-2004, 09:52 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR> I do have a question for the ’04 owners. Can you really put adults (6’ 200 lb.) in the back seat? I’m not being facetious, it’s a genuine question that hopefully will garner an objective response <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
The reason for this question is that in the next year I will be looking for a daily driver and the new GTO is on my list, but I do need something with a real back seat. Porsche tells me the 911 seats four adults, but that's just some German pipe dream.

I have sat in the rear seat of an M3 and it is relatively comfortable. Of course, whatever car I purchase, I won't be the one in the back seat.

llorca · #6 12-24-2004, 11:35 AM

Let me start by saying I have a 1967 GTO which I have owned for 18 years. I am a huge GTO fan always have been. GTO's have been in my family as long as I can remember.

I am very upset at the complete negativity toward the '04-'05 Goats. If you don't like the looks you don't like the looks, but why all the hating? If you don't like it than stay in the appropriate forums and let the '04 owners create a positive enviroment for their love of the new goat.

I am sure there are many GTO owners of certain years which don't care for other years, but I don't see them running to the other forums to basically act like trolls? For example I don't care for the 73 or 74 GTO's but I would never go into their forum to tell them whats wrong with their goats. They like it and thats all that matters. I still appreciate that they are goats for whatever reason, they still seem like family.

The new GTO in my opinion is a great car. It doesn't jump at out you, but did our classics jump out in 1964,1965, 1966, and so on? It was a car which for all purposes looked like the many cars on the road in those years. They jump out NOW thats for sure! If you're still upset that pontiac doesn't have its own V8 or that the car is not built on US soil, than you definetly need to stay in the classic forums. The original Pontiac V8 (as wonderful as it was) is not coming back and in this global economy manufacturing happens all over the globe!

I love our classic GTOs, but give the new goat its dues its a great car built with the same ideas which made ours great. Now let the '04 owners enjoy their forum instead of forcing them out.

Mr_GTO · #7 12-13-2004, 03:03 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by David Jones:
Yeah Nick, really. Sad.
posted by mr_gto......
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>No evolutionary process there uh? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE> <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

David, I know you are from Alabama but come on...

ev·o·lu·tion ( P ) Pronunciation Key (v-lshn, v-)
n.
A gradual process in which something changes into a different and usually more complex or better form. See Synonyms at development.

The process of developing.
Gradual development.

Had the GTO forged on from 1974, chances are that is how it was going to look.

The Champ · #8 12-28-2004, 04:07 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by racerboy:
Charlz,
I think the issue is that there was no evolution. Like the Dodo bird, the GTO became extinct in 1974 (the Dodo actually became extinct in 1681). Once extinct, always extinct. I think that if they imported the car (interesting how many people chastise imports on this board, but the new GTO _is_ an import), and called it anything else, this board would probably only get activity from '04 owners. Now what fun would that be?

This is the most entertaining board on PY (probably not the most informative, but certainly the most fun to read).

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First of all...

The GTO is being built on a shared GM chassis of a car that was originally built on the same shared chassis as the GTO.

Looks like evolution is coming full circle as the GTO comes back with a direct evolutionary chassis from Australia - just like the original migrated to Australia many years ago, the new one returns "home".

As to the "extinct" comment...

So the Corvette is extinct?

You do realize that the Corvette was not produced for sale in 1983, don't you. Chevy did build a few, but they were never sold to the public.

Bottom line, cars are not living objects. Manufacturers can, and will, bring back names when ever they choose to do so.

There is the Ford 500 and Thunderbird, the Dodge Magnum and Charger, the Chrysler 300, the Chevy Impala, Malibu, and Monte Carlo...

Pontiac brought back the GTO. They kept it a V8 RWD muscle car. The brought it back and it is one of the fastest, best handling cars available in the US.

I would rather put my '64 GTO alongside an '04 GTO than a Chevy guy with a vintage Malibu muscle car would put his car alongside an '04 Malibu with a 4 banger.

David Jones · #9 12-13-2004, 09:40 AM

You forget quickly. Ancestory. Originally designed. Came up with the idea for. First one with. Chevy.

David Jones · #10 12-14-2004, 07:08 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>"Crystal ball? Hardly, more like all I have to do is look at the rest of today's pontiac lineup. I know it is tough for you folks from Alabama to figure out....go look at a 74 Grand Prix and look at the way it looks now. Evolutionary? You tell me, see if you can figure that out."

Thats an very definitive answer. Allows you to take boths sides of the discussion. Shrewd, well in your case, probably not.

"David, if you feel the need to bash the car in this forum, be prepaired to hear it from me."

Thats the plan.

Mr_GTO · #11 12-13-2004, 06:14 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by red70goat:

Nobody cares about your 2002 Firebird. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I owned a 99 Trans am and a 2001 Z28 Vert.

And who said I ever owned a 2002 Firebird? I was comparing the build quality of the LAST GENERATION F-BODIES to the new GTO.

Again, try to keep up.

Goathead · #12 12-16-2004, 08:29 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>I think we should stay with factory installed equipment in this discussion <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Come on Champ, what about the Pontiac GTO built to race the Ferrari GTO.....that was factory installed...

Mr_GTO · #13 12-13-2004, 03:07 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by red70goat:
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Actually Nick, I think a lot of the "bashers" on here, including myself, are not so much bashing anyones ride but are using this forum as a way to reach the powers @ GM to give us a GTO we really want. Hopefully GM is paying attention to the people here on the front lines and using these forums for improving their product. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Funny, the last Firebirds were great cars for what they were. The Formula could be had for $25K. Did you buy one? I bought 2 last of the breed F-bodies. And FYI, the last CE TA was more money than the current GTO. You wouldn't buy one even if they satisfied all your wants. And they have improved their product. The GTO is MILES ahead of the last F-body, which was also built outside the United States FYI.

projectfolly · #14 12-15-2004, 11:07 AM

Great pics of the '04 and '64 !
With regard to the '04 GTO powered by the LS1/LS2, I can unerstand the complaints that the engine is a evolution of the Chevy Small Block and should not be powering a Pontiac - sort of.
The reality is that the traditional Pontiac V8 ceased production over 20 years ago.
Where the Pontiac Motors foundary and engine plant once stood that produced the engines is nothing but an empty tract of land. The days of each GM division having its very own powertrain, engineering and manufacturing are gone. With all the competitors in the automotive market now, GM has lost so much market share that they can no longer have independent divisions that compete against themselfs like in the good old days when they had over 50 percent of the market. Out of all the engines GM produces, the best one by far for the GTO is the LS1/LS2 as many here can attest to. GM powertrain is just that, GM powertrain, not Chevrolet, not Cadillac, Buick or Pontiac - just powertrain.We need to get over it and move on.

David Jones · #15 12-13-2004, 07:59 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Funny, does the 05 Corvette resemble the 65 at all? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

At least the same division that started it still makes it. Where was your Cavalier

made? Mexico or Ohio? If you can say quality and Cavalier in the same sentence has it suffered because it wasn't made in Australia?

Mr_GTO · #16 12-13-2004, 08:50 AM

Funny, we are talking about the LS1 V8 not a SBC. Try to keep up. I know it is difficult for you.

Here is a little bit of history of the engine.
http://www.idavette.net/hib/ls1c.html
Read it carefully.

No, i was pointing out the most of the pickle haters would rather see a FWD V6 powered PONTIAC BUILT AMERICAN car than the current GTO. No thanks. Not me.

red70goat · #17 12-15-2004, 07:56 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by Goathead:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>A lot of people knock the car, I went for a ride and was very impressed.
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John, most people knock the way GM did the car. The name, rushing it into production with no fanfare, not the strongest motor possible, bland styling etc.

In all, producing a failure with a legends name on it, coping out.

I have driven an '04 twice, and they drive great, and handle well. It has a lot of little things that would discourage me from buying one, but all in all, it's a nice car.

My opinion since the begining is that the original GTO was not just a a nice car for it's time, it was also a trend setting car. This one is not.

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Yeah, what he said.

Mr_GTO · #18 12-13-2004, 03:43 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by David Jones:
I fully aware of the definition of the word. I'm glad you looked it up though so you'd know. So you're saying that had Pontiac soldiered on with the GTO from 1974 straight on through to today that they would have ended up with the Monaro based "new" GTO. Where did you come up with that? Crystal ball maybe? Since everything you "know" is based on facts gleaned from mindless trolling on the internet and nothing else, maybe you found a website that handles this type of speculation?
My reply was to Nickv's post about how these threads always end up bashing the "new" GTO. I simply wanted him to realize how this thread headed off in that direction. I wouldn't expect you to realize that though. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Crystal ball? Hardly, more like all I have to do is look at the rest of today's pontiac lineup. I know it is tough for you folks from Alabama to figure out....go look at a 74 Grand Prix and look at the way it looks now. Evolutionary? You tell me, see if you can figure that out.

David, if you feel the need to bash the car in this forum, be prepaired to hear it from me.

racerboy · #19 12-23-2004, 04:44 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR> Evolutionary styling from FORTY years ago <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Charlz,
I think the issue is that there was no evolution. Like the Dodo bird, the GTO became extinct in 1974 (the Dodo actually became extinct in 1681). Once extinct, always extinct. I think that if they imported the car (interesting how many people chastise imports on this board, but the new GTO is an import), and called it anything else, this board would probably only get activity from '04 owners. Now what fun would that be?

This is the most entertaining board on PY (probably not the most informative, but certainly the most fun to read).

70455RA · #20 12-14-2004, 12:58 AM

Can anyone on here stick to a topic. A guy posts a picture of a 64 and a 04 gto and you guys are off talking about corvettes,trans ams and small block chevrolets. I'm starting to realize why I sold my 70. If I keep reading on here I'll end up selling my SJ also.
Anyway beautiful 64 and even the 04 looks pretty good from that angle.