[pastry_chef]

Originally Posted by STALLION

The guys WHO make the most HP are Jimmy Jammel and Gaby L.; Single 4, N/A, stroked 400, - 8:08 @ 165MPH in a door car. AGAIN N/A. NOW that NUMBER is impressive!!!!

Doors or not.. what does this car weigh?

[David Holmberg]

Not taking anything away from Gaby's work, but suspension, tire and weight are a big deal vs Langer.

[iceman411]

False claims? Any and all businesses make them. It's called advertising. EVERYONE does it. Look at your Sunday paper-anything to get you in the door. I'm the best- Look at me!! Whatever....I'm just happy the Pontiac community has grown with todays technology......Indians don't look well with bow-ties and that's where my and many other's cars would be without the advances our venders have made. How many times have you been asked if you have a Pontiac motor after making another respectable pass? Brings a smile to my face!! I'm only running a 470" motor and am in the high tens with a full stock and complete interior street car-no roll bar....Remember how much those seats weigh? I'll get there and I look forward to building a faster and safer car to meet track regulations. I have alot of respect for the folks here and many have helped me get to where I am today and I also look forward to tomorrow. I'm having fun and I'm entertained by this thread......I should go after all those ladies with padded bra's.....That's false advertising!!! I think I'm on to something

[STALLION]

Originally Posted by pastry_chef

Doors or not.. what does this car weigh?

2,350lbs I think.

[David Holmberg]

Originally Posted by STALLION

2,350lbs I think.

And Langer is 1000 lbs heavier, has less tire and is running 8.50's.

You might want to re-think that argument.

[STALLION]

Originally Posted by David Holmberg

Not taking anything away from Gaby's work, but suspension, tire and weight are a big deal vs Langer.

David, it is our choice on what class we want to run our cars. I think, I said (I think) it costs a lot less to build a car like Langer's than one like mine, Jimmy's all of us that have PRO STOCK type cars. My choice, I want to go as fast as I can N/A (for now). At the end of the day, people will remember a car that runs 6,7,8 seconds AND that car that did that wild wheelie. At the end of the day I am impressed with a car like Scott Rex's car 7:40s, thats fast.

[David Holmberg]

But we were talking about horsepower, right?

How many other Pontiac's are running heads up against every other brand and winning World titles?

Again, I have nothing but love for Gaby and his work, you chose him, not me.

I was impressed with your old car, and I'm sure the new one will be even better.

[STALLION]

Originally Posted by David Holmberg

And Langer is 1000 lbs heavier, has less tire and is running 8.50's.

You might want to re-think that argument.

No argument here. Is that 1,000lbs heavier N/A and an after market block right. Remember Jimmy's is a stroked 400ci with eheads. I think it's around a 467ci(?)

[David Holmberg]

NA, one carb and an IA II block. But I'm not sure how the block produces power, it just makes the motor live longer. It's a long term investment.

[SupergasDil]

It's obvious that Kauffman Racing Equipment manufactures products for Pontiacs that help some of the fastest Pontiacs in the country.

All Pontiac does the same. Though I don't currently use any of their products I don't deny they make some great stuff. I also don't bag on them. They claim the strongest block, Kauffman claims the best heads. Personally, I don't give a crap what anyone claims. I do my own research, before making a decision to purchase.

There is plenty of room in on the planet for more Pontiac businesses, builders, mfg's.

[Jagtec1]

I have no horse in this race...BUT, I for one am more impressed with a heavy, small tire car putting up big numbers than I am with a super light big tire car. That said, I'd love to have a super light car that I could throw my motor in and run low 's/high 8's.

There is more than one way to skin a cat.

[John Langer]

I went testing last night at cecil, there were a few people from the board there. 523" Tiger headed single 1150 cast intake, 3385lbs, 29.5 x 10.5 tire
60' 1.286 (with the back tires, trust me)
330' 3.573
1/8 5.482
mph 128.43
1000' 7.132
1/4 8.535
mph 160.35

[John Langer]

Originally Posted by STALLION

David, it is our choice on what class we want to run our cars. I think, I said (I think) it costs a lot less to build a car like Langer's than one like mine, Jimmy's all of us that have PRO STOCK type cars. My choice, I want to go as fast as I can N/A (for now). At the end of the day, people will remember a car that runs 6,7,8 seconds AND that car that did that wild wheelie. At the end of the day I am impressed with a car like Scott Rex's car 7:40s, thats fast.

Unless you buy the pro stock car new, I would say that it costs more to build my style car then buy an old pro stock car.

[Ken C]

The following is a list of the Fastest Naturally Aspirated Pontiacs of all time
Kevin Swaney [email protected] Rear Engine Dragster Naturally Aspirated Single Dominator on GAS Norwalk 2007

Scott Rex [email protected] Cecil County Dragway 10-2007 Naturally Aspirated 1997 Firebird

Jeff Kauffman 7.49 @ 175 NA Norwalk 2000

Todd Filson 7.65@175 Rear Engine Dragster Naturally Aspirated

Todd Fontana 7.58@174 Rear Engine Dragster Naturally Aspirated Single Dominator

Rod Page [email protected] Single Dominator Victor Rear Engine Dragster

Frank Gostyla [email protected] 2002 Grand Am 11-11-2006 Cecil County Dragway Naturally Aspirated Single Dominator
Jack Gaydosh [email protected] 2000 Firebird 11-11-2006 Cecil County Dragway Naturally Aspirated
Jim Brady 7.72@174 Rear Engine Dragster Single Alcohol Dominator

Mark Pickett 7.97 @ 171 1st 7 second NA door slammer May 2002

Shane Molinari 8.01 @ 168 601 cid NA 1968 LeMans

Mr Langer You said KRE wasn't even in the top five how come you are not in this list you probably can't make the top 20 . There are five KRE cars in the top 11 on this list and Stallion will be close to the top before the year is over. You won't come to Norwalk because you are just another 8.5 second door car their it's not the John Langer show anymore you are just one of the pack .IF YOU DON'T LIKE THIS POST TOUGH YOU SHOULD NOT HAVE STARTED IT.
KEN
HAVE A GREAT DAY

[Brian Baker]

Originally Posted by Ken C

The following is a list of the Fastest Naturally Aspirated Pontiacs of all time
Kevin Swaney [email protected] Rear Engine Dragster Naturally Aspirated Single Dominator on GAS Norwalk 2007

Scott Rex [email protected] Cecil County Dragway 10-2007 Naturally Aspirated 1997 Firebird

Jeff Kauffman 7.49 @ 175 NA Norwalk 2000

Todd Filson 7.65@175 Rear Engine Dragster Naturally Aspirated

Todd Fontana 7.58@174 Rear Engine Dragster Naturally Aspirated Single Dominator

Rod Page [email protected] Single Dominator Victor Rear Engine Dragster

Frank Gostyla [email protected] 2002 Grand Am 11-11-2006 Cecil County Dragway Naturally Aspirated Single Dominator
Jack Gaydosh [email protected] 2000 Firebird 11-11-2006 Cecil County Dragway Naturally Aspirated
Jim Brady 7.72@174 Rear Engine Dragster Single Alcohol Dominator

Mark Pickett 7.97 @ 171 1st 7 second NA door slammer May 2002

Shane Molinari 8.01 @ 168 601 cid NA 1968 LeMans

Mr Langer You said KRE wasn't even in the top five how come you are not in this list you probably can't make the top 20 . There are five KRE cars in the top 11 on this list and Stallion will be close to the top before the year is over. You won't come to Norwalk because you are just another 8.5 second door car their it's not the John Langer show anymore you are just one of the pack .IF YOU DON'T LIKE THIS POST TOUGH YOU SHOULD NOT HAVE STARTED IT.
KEN
HAVE A GREAT DAY

Of the first six you posted here, five are rear engined dragsters. Are they KRE cars/customers? If so, one could conclude KRE needs a lightweight RED to post a magic number...at least naturally aspirated they do.

Where are Welter's, Barcak's and KRE's blown numbers?

[John Langer]

Originally Posted by Ken C

The following is a list of the Fastest Naturally Aspirated Pontiacs of all time
Kevin Swaney [email protected] Rear Engine Dragster Naturally Aspirated Single Dominator on GAS Norwalk 2007

Scott Rex [email protected] Cecil County Dragway 10-2007 Naturally Aspirated 1997 Firebird

Jeff Kauffman 7.49 @ 175 NA Norwalk 2000

Todd Filson 7.65@175 Rear Engine Dragster Naturally Aspirated

Todd Fontana 7.58@174 Rear Engine Dragster Naturally Aspirated Single Dominator

Rod Page [email protected] Single Dominator Victor Rear Engine Dragster

Frank Gostyla [email protected] 2002 Grand Am 11-11-2006 Cecil County Dragway Naturally Aspirated Single Dominator
Jack Gaydosh [email protected] 2000 Firebird 11-11-2006 Cecil County Dragway Naturally Aspirated
Jim Brady 7.72@174 Rear Engine Dragster Single Alcohol Dominator

Mark Pickett 7.97 @ 171 1st 7 second NA door slammer May 2002

Shane Molinari 8.01 @ 168 601 cid NA 1968 LeMans

Mr Langer You said KRE wasn't even in the top five how come you are not in this list you probably can't make the top 20 . There are five KRE cars in the top 11 on this list and Stallion will be close to the top before the year is over. You won't come to Norwalk because you are just another 8.5 second door car their it's not the John Langer show anymore you are just one of the pack .IF YOU DON'T LIKE THIS POST TOUGH YOU SHOULD NOT HAVE STARTED IT.
KEN
HAVE A GREAT DAY

your post backed up exactly what I said. They don't make HP. Dragsters weight at the most 1800lbs. It only takes 850hp to run 7.30's at that weight. KRE is not in the top 5 in hp. I would say it would be Rex, Me, Bruce, Jack, Frank...

[Jagtec1]

Imagine what John's car might run in an 1800-2000# rail. Food for thought. He races a CLASS, and built the car for that class...and it is impressive. 1100HP with 1800# is FAST. Even at 2000# it is LOW 7's according to Wallace Racing.

Not taking away from anyone's accomplishments, butI'd rather watch 9-10 second door cars than watch a rail. Why do you think the stands are empty for most super pro rail races...because rails are boring. RED's are more exciting, as there are not many around.

JMO.

[J.C.you]

Originally Posted by John Langer

I went testing last night at cecil, there were a few people from the board there. 523" Tiger headed single 1150 cast intake, 3385lbs, 29.5 x 10.5 tire
60' 1.286 (with the back tires, trust me)
330' 3.573
1/8 5.482
mph 128.43
1000' 7.132
1/4 8.535
mph 160.35

what did machile run with his superchief headed 515 ia engine 5 yrs (maybe longer) or so ago? wasn't it a 8.53? finally running with those old superchiefs and ia motor with all the newest parts.....

[John Langer]

Originally Posted by J.C.you

what did machile run with his superchief headed 515 ia engine 5 yrs (maybe longer) or so ago? wasn't it a 8.53? finally running with those old superchiefs and ia motor with all the newest parts.....

That was 3 years ago. He had a bigger carb and was pulling air off of the grill. That pass was in a mine shaft (end of the year at Cecil). That combo is not legal in the class I race in. I think he was a little lighter and with wheelie bars.

[John Langer]

Originally Posted by Jagtec1

Imagine what John's car might run in an 1800-2000# rail. Food for thought. He races a CLASS, and built the car for that class...and it is impressive. 1100HP with 1800# is FAST. Even at 2000# it is LOW 7's according to Wallace Racing.

Not taking away from anyone's accomplishments, butI'd rather watch 9-10 second door cars than watch a rail. Why do you think the stands are empty for most super pro rail races...because rails are boring. RED's are more exciting, as there are not many around.

JMO.

For get what I would run. What would Rex run weighing 600lbs less? He went what, a .39 or .38 earlier this year atr 188?