[twinturrbo406]

Originally Posted by Jeff Kinsler

oh no the frick you didnt!!

..... alright Jeff, you were warned .................................................. ................................................ ................................................ ................................... ................................................ ................................................ .................................................. .......................................:roll eyes:............................................. ........................................... ................................................ ......................................... ............................................

[65nss4spdGTO]

Originally Posted by LiL Jack

Yes, if they were CV1s I'm pretty sure it would not made that kind of power.

Yea, if it had my Quest heads, it would have made that power and more.

Do you have any ideas on the air flow of these heads?

Calvin Hill
Hill Performance
708-250-7420

[Jeff Kinsler]

Originally Posted by 65nss4spdGTO

Yea, if it had my Quest heads, it would have made that power and more.

Do you have any ideas on the air flow of these heads?

Calvin Hill
Hill Performance
708-250-7420

CHQHTTFMF!!!!

[twinturrbo406]

Originally Posted by Jeff Kinsler

CHQHTTFMF!!!!

........ JKCV1'STTFMFR's !!!! .........

[Probird]

Originally Posted by twinturrbo406

........ JKCV1'STTFMFR's !!!! .........

Whats' the JK stand for??? Just Kidding?

[twinturrbo406]

Originally Posted by Probird

Whats' the JK stand for??? Just Kidding?

... hey, that could work for his new nick-name, as he is always just-kidding ...

[S/st 54]

Originally Posted by twinturrbo406

........ JKCV1'STTFMFR's !!!! .........

Let me see if I can understand that comment.JK 8's at Norwalk?




I think he might already be at that point.

[Jeff Kinsler]

Originally Posted by twinturrbo406

........ JKCV1'STTFMFR's !!!! .........

well............are you drinking tonight??

[Jeff Kinsler]

Originally Posted by Probird

Whats' the JK stand for??? Just Kidding?

Justified Kalculators to the front ?????

[LiL Jack]

Originally Posted by 65nss4spdGTO

Yea, if it had my Quest heads, it would have made that power and more.

Do you have any ideas on the air flow of these heads?

Calvin Hill
Hill Performance
708-250-7420

I highly doubt it.


I don't know what they flow, only know that it probably won't run.

[Vengeance Race Engines]

Originally Posted by LiL Jack

I highly doubt it.


I don't know what they flow, only know that it probably won't run.

Awwe c'mon Jack, are you really that mean? Or is that a friendly to stir things up and get him motivated? lol.

Besides, shouldn't matter what they flow. The design of the runner will tell the story, and if both heads had the same amount of work done to them, being maxxed out, would be for a real good apples to apples showing which design runner will outperform the other. Is that where this is headed Bill? Just curious.

Ps- Nice work on them Tiger's Bill. Glad to see someone else approached those heads the same way.. Good luck with your testing.

[BruceWilkie]

And this isnt even an all out build. Just a porting change on a set of tigers. Well over 15% power increase over the same basic rpm range. Again no compression, cam or valvetrain changes or carb refinement for that matter. Plenty more power with just more tuning. If the customer wants to make further changes there is even more power to be had.

IMO Jack is highly under estimating Bill or Calvin's abilities. Think he forgets the customer plays a role and its usually budget controling the final outcome. Dyno time costs add up, so would carb or cam or header changes. Not to mention how horsepower changes add cost with gear, convertor and chassis changes to accomodate new found power increases, especially increases this large.

CV1 heads or Tigers or whatever...$$$ greatly influences the outcome. Ability NOT fame determines results within a given budget. And yes there will be(actually are) CV1 heads capable of beating these nicely done tigers. Not everyone has plumber money or overpaid government jobs so it might take a bit longer before we see the results of the cv1 and cv2 r+d work thats been goin on. However, the ability is there.

I dont think this build is meant to be a CV1 vs Tiger test but the power increase from the porting changes should reflect on the abilities of the person doing the porting.

[twinturrbo406]

Originally Posted by Vengeance Race Engines

Awwe c'mon Jack, are you really that mean? Or is that a friendly to stir things up and get him motivated? lol.

Besides, shouldn't matter what they flow. The design of the runner will tell the story, and if both heads had the same amount of work done to them, being maxxed out, would be for a real good apples to apples showing which design runner will outperform the other. Is that where this is headed Bill? Just curious.

Ps- Nice work on them Tiger's Bill. Glad to see someone else approached those heads the same way.. Good luck with your testing.

... thank you Joe, but no we wont be putting CV-1's on this engine as the pistons are not set up for that ... i wouldn't hesitate if it were possible ... dont worry Joe, i got an engine comin' that we'll learn a lot from, and see what the heads are worth, but this thread is for our customer to be proud of the work he had us do under his constraints and requests, nothing else ...
... but the fact Lil' jack is in here running his mouth, especially about a Tiger engine, just shows how stupid & bias he is, and the fact that his problem might actually have more to do with myself, then the CV-1 heads, which is perfectly fine with me, i'd prefer it that way actually ...

[john marcella]

Originally Posted by twinturrbo406

... thank you Joe, but no we wont be putting CV-1's on this engine as the pistons are not set up for that ... i wouldn't hesitate if it were possible ... dont worry Joe, i got an engine comin' that we'll learn a lot from, and see what the heads are worth, but this thread is for our customer to be proud of the work he had us do under his constraints and requests, nothing else ...
... but the fact Lil' jack is in here running his mouth, especially about a Tiger engine, just shows how stupid & bias he is, and the fact that his problem might actually have more to do with myself, then the CV-1 heads, which is perfectly fine with me, i'd prefer it that way actually ...

But then the angle will be that it took a big huge motor to make any power. And that the HP per/cid is crap. LOL . You cant win.
That bitch better make some power, or your screwed
1200HP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
No pressure

[twinturrbo406]

Originally Posted by john marcella

But then the angle will be that it took a big huge motor to make any power. And that the HP per/cid is crap. LOL . You cant win.
That bitch better make some power, or your screwed
1200HP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
No pressure

... that would just be more of the same John, i'm well seasoned with that mess ...

[LiL Jack]

Originally Posted by BruceWilkie

And this isnt even an all out build. Just a porting change on a set of tigers. Well over 15% power increase over the same basic rpm range. Again no compression, cam or valvetrain changes or carb refinement for that matter. Plenty more power with just more tuning. If the customer wants to make further changes there is even more power to be had.

IMO Jack is highly under estimating Bill or Calvin's abilities. Think he forgets the customer plays a role and its usually budget controling the final outcome. Dyno time costs add up, so would carb or cam or header changes. Not to mention how horsepower changes add cost with gear, convertor and chassis changes to accomodate new found power increases, especially increases this large.

CV1 heads or Tigers or whatever...$$$ greatly influences the outcome. Ability NOT fame determines results within a given budget. And yes there will be(actually are) CV1 heads capable of beating these nicely done tigers. Not everyone has plumber money or overpaid government jobs so it might take a bit longer before we see the results of the cv1 and cv2 r+d work thats been goin on. However, the ability is there.

I dont think this build is meant to be a CV1 vs Tiger test but the power increase from the porting changes should reflect on the abilities of the person doing the porting.

i just received my dads motor back from BES and it is a 535 with Super Chief heads and a Tiger intake a cam with under 750 lift 13.7- 1 compression and it made 980 HP and 800 torque.

I would have thought a Tiger headed motor would have made more then that, thats all.

And I doubt it would have done any bettet with CV1s on it, has any CV1 motor made over 1k HP yet for chit sake?

[LiL Jack]

Originally Posted by twinturrbo406

... thank you Joe, but no we wont be putting CV-1's on this engine as the pistons are not set up for that ... i wouldn't hesitate if it were possible ... dont worry Joe, i got an engine comin' that we'll learn a lot from, and see what the heads are worth, but this thread is for our customer to be proud of the work he had us do under his constraints and requests, nothing else ...
... but the fact Lil' jack is in here running his mouth, especially about a Tiger engine, just shows how stupid & bias he is, and the fact that his problem might actually have more to do with myself, then the CV-1 heads, which is perfectly fine with me, i'd prefer it that way actually ...

Stupid and bias?

Show me some HP!

[Jeff Kinsler]

Originally Posted by LiL Jack

i just received my dads motor back from BES and it is a 535 with Super Chief heads and a Tiger intake a cam with under 750 lift 13.7- 1 compression and it made 980 HP and 800 torque.

I would have thought a Tiger headed motor would have made more then that, thats all.

And I doubt it would have done any bettet with CV1s on it, has any CV1 motor made over 1k HP yet for chit sake?

GLSCTTFMF!!!

[Jeff Kinsler]

Originally Posted by twinturrbo406

... that would just be more of the same John, i'm well seasoned with that mess ...

a 572 with canted valve heads minimal should make what langer's motor is making.. this is a max effort just like langer's so this will be a good comparison between the tiger 480 cfm head and cv1 490 to 500 cfm head..

[LiL Jack]

Originally Posted by Jeff Kinsler

a 572 with canted valve heads minimal should make what langer's motor is making.. this is a max effort just like langer's so this will be a good comparison between the tiger 480 cfm head and cv1 490 to 500 cfm head..

That won't happen. Stop drinking at work!