[rustedgoat]

People decide what they want as a collectable. At an auction it only takes 2 people to get into stupid money for anything. That doesn't mean other people put the same value on that car.

As for me, I always liked the odd ball cars. Things like the ford maverick, early 70's mercury capri, vega, pinto the kind of entry market cars most people actually had to grow up in. Mustangs, camaros, gtos can easily be found at any car show, but the oddness of seeing a spare tire on the engine in a subaru brat is something people like to take a look at, never mind the rear facing seats in the bed.

Most people want the higher horsepower stuff with slick aerodynamics.

[OZZIEVILLE 67 2 door]

What are your thoughts on any model made by Holden with V8 only being collectable.
I have a 2007 ve Commodore Calais V8 auto
Same as the G8 LSE
Chevrolet ss 6.2 V8
Monaro,GTO.

My Calais is number 1 on most stolen list in Australia , that's got to make it sort after..?
They are holding their value with some special vehicles getting serious cash.
John L.


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[Stuart]

I think the Holden based GTO will have a following in the future. I really liked the G8 (in retrospect, I wish I would have bought a G8 GXP with a manual transmission before they stopped production) but they were so uncommon I suspect few people will remember them.

[LEGACY_GN]

Can we all agree not to call Holden cars Pontiacs? (and I owned a stryker blue G8, fun car but it's not a pontiac)

Now that we got that out of the way I would think the Solstice GXP coupe because it's the last TRUE pontiac and super rare but the problem is no one wanted them when they were new so there isn't anyone reaching their 40s wanting one in the future which is what drives all old car values and the reason you are seeing 80s cars sky rocket in value.

I wonder if the 90's Grand Prix will be popular because they were super popular in the 90s when they came out but they are fwd and not very fast.

Of course I think the Trans Ams will be collectible because they are the last ones and you're already seeing the 80s TA go up in value.

As to my sister car the Turbo TA (I have a GN) I don't know why those rare cars aren't worth more money. It's quite the debate among TA and GN owners.

[Chief of the 60's]

Originally Posted by LEGACY_GN

Can we all agree not to call Holden cars Pontiacs? (and I owned a stryker blue G8, fun car but it's not a pontiac)

Now that we got that out of the way I would think the Solstice GXP coupe because it's the last TRUE pontiac and super rare but the problem is no one wanted them when they were new so there isn't anyone reaching their 40s wanting one in the future which is what drives all old car values and the reason you are seeing 80s cars sky rocket in value.

But the Solstice is actually a Saturn Sky

No different in my book as the '04 to '06 GTO being a Holden

[Fly GTO]

The Holden-based cars will be collectible for quite awhile, and probably not because they were imported as Pontiacs, but in spite of it. The younger folks who are into cars know the 04-06 GTO's and 08-09 G8's and I get more attention on my G8 GXP (SRM, 6m) from them than I do my 65 GTO. BTW, while I firmly believe the G8 GXP is a collectible car and will be for some time, I still use it as my DD (on nice days because it is so fun to drive. Whoever gets it after I'm dead will have to worry about "collectability". (And I agree with T/A, Solstice GXP, and will say there will be at least some interest in GP GTP's & GXP's, Bonneville SSEi/GXP's, and performance versions of the entry-level cars, as mentioned).

[LEGACY_GN]

Originally Posted by Chief of the 60's

But the Solstice is actually a Saturn Sky

No different in my book as the '04 to '06 GTO being a Holden

That is 100% wrong. The Solstice was developed as a Pontiac from the beginning at the direction of Bob Lutz. Do your research. It was simply shared with saturn after the fact. That's why I call it the last true pontiac, kind of like my CT6 is the last true Cadillac with the last true Cadillac engine. My car is 100% Cadillac. Nothing shared with anyone.

As to comparing a foreign company built car to a car built by another division within GM in america, that's a bridge too far, but that's your opinion and that's ok.

[1965gp]

Good call Legacy; it’s fairly easy to predict which (mainstream) cars are going to go up in the coming years-the 80’s cars are on fire right now. So glad I bought mine in the early 00’s. I paid 2100 for my 87 Saleen running and driving. I probably have 4000 all in and I suspect I could get about 18 for it.

As far as the Turbo TA it’s really interesting. We bought ours around 2007 for 9k from the original owner. It’s a very nice survivor car with about 80,000 miles on it. There are always low mileage examples available so I don’t think this car will ever be worth real money but it is a really, really fun car.

On the other hand I bought my friends 86 Grand National (he was the original owner) for 20k in 2018. This is a very nice 60,000 mile car with documentation back to day one.

I think that TTA owners paid a lot for the cars when they were new (the guy we bought ours from said he paid $37k for it new which seems like an insane unbelievable number to me) so they always felt they were worth a lot. People didn’t drive them and kept them as collector cars keeping the value up. Then as the value went down it seemed as if the owners weren’t willing to sell at the market price. These cars went down to the $10-15k mark and people were still advertising them for $35k and they would be for sale for years. No one drove them, meaning no one saw them and there wasn’t much of a following. I bet very few on this website have ever ridden in one. No following = No $$

However, the Grand Nationals were driven, raced and very recognizable being one color. They were the rival to the 5.0 and the magazine’s marketed them well. They had a huge following and were just rare enough it was a big deal to see one.

Ironically I would say a clean GN or 5.0 mustang is worth as much or more than a TTA today.

Here are some pics of my dads TTA with my Firehawk (she looks great for 186k miles!), our Saleen and our GN. I had to put the Fast and Furious 4 wheels on my GN because it’s one of the greatest chase scenes ever.

[1965gp]

I am going to stand by the fact that this is the wrong media to discuss the 04-06 GTO’s and G8’s.

They have a pretty big following- this week my dad went to buy a battery for my old 04 GTO and the guy at the Chevy dealer kept going on and on about how amazing the cars were. If they had just put the hood scoops and dual exhaust on the 04 model they would have sold at sticker like crazy, not the discounted prices they settled on.

I think I have posted this before, but the 04 GTO lended itself well to an early shaker. After a night of coors light we decided our new car needed a hood scoop and this is what we came up with. Still looks like this today- early style shaker mounted to a Holden engine cover

I would be interested to see pics of others modern collector cars. Are there any that you are always searching for? For me it would be a yellow 87 Formula or yellow 93/94 Formula/TA

[bdk1976]

If you want a 'collectable' modern american car, I'd go with a Dodge Hellcat - preferably a challenger in a good color. Monaro styling sucked but I agree those 04-06 "GTOs" will have a cult following in the future due to cheap performance aspect.

[Chief of the 60's]

Originally Posted by LEGACY_GN

That is 100% wrong. The Solstice was developed as a Pontiac from the beginning at the direction of Bob Lutz. Do your research. It was simply shared with saturn after the fact. That's why I call it the last true pontiac, kind of like my CT6 is the last true Cadillac with the last true Cadillac engine. My car is 100% Cadillac. Nothing shared with anyone.

As to comparing a foreign company built car to a car built by another division within GM in america, that's a bridge too far, but that's your opinion and that's ok.

Look into it as you are wrong. The Solstice was built at the Saturn plant in Wilmington, Delaware. Same plant that made the "L" series.

I suggest you do your research.

[Sirrotica]

Originally Posted by LEGACY_GN

Can we all agree not to call Holden cars Pontiacs? (and I owned a stryker blue G8, fun car but it's not a pontiac)

Now that we got that out of the way I would think the Solstice GXP coupe because it's the last TRUE pontiac and super rare but the problem is no one wanted them when they were new so there isn't anyone reaching their 40s wanting one in the future which is what drives all old car values and the reason you are seeing 80s cars sky rocket in value.

I wonder if the 90's Grand Prix will be popular because they were super popular in the 90s when they came out but they are fwd and not very fast.

Of course I think the Trans Ams will be collectible because they are the last ones and you're already seeing the 80s TA go up in value.

As to my sister car the Turbo TA (I have a GN) I don't know why those rare cars aren't worth more money. It's quite the debate among TA and GN owners.

Why wouldn't you call a 04-06 GTO a Pontiac? Afterall, Holden is a division of GM, just on another continent. Holden also manufactures many cars over the years that are/were sold in europe, under the GM umbrella. The powertrain of all the Holden manufactured cars exported to the US, is made in the US.

Should The caprice, also not be called a chevy? It as also made by Holden. The camaro also shares the zeta platform as well as some RWD cadillacs. Same platform, just made in the US. They all fall under the GM umbrella, and use the same platforms under the sheetmetal.

Following that logic, camaros and RWD cadillacs on the zeta platform, should not be called chevys and cadillacs, because they share the same platform as Holden cars do, is that correct?

How about the 70 GTOs made in a canadian plant, are those also not Pontiac GTOs?

There are many US companies making cars outside of the continental US, mexico and canada. Are those cars made outside of this country by ford and chrysler also not considered ford and chrysler cars? Currently lincolns are made in Ontario Canada, are they not lincolns?

Many of the sub assemblies of GM brands as well as ford and chrysler are made outside of the US borders.

I bought my GTO at a Pontiac dealer, it does say Pontiac on the title, so no, I'm not going to eliminate it as a Pontiac, because it was made in Australia.

The same as my wife's Vibe was made in CA at the Nummi plant, by a joint venture of GM and Toyota. The Toyota Matrixs, and Corollas were also made on that same line, are they not Toyotas? That plant was formerly the Fremont GM plant, that made cars and light trucks, for all GM divisions.

Hondas made in Marysville Ohio, shouldn't be called Hondas, because the parent company is in Japan, is that correct?

I can't forget to mention the buick regal made in china, and the buick cascada imported from europe, and one more, the buick envision crossover, also imported from china. The buick plant going into china, is one of the reasons GM/US govt sealed the coffin on Pontiac.

I'm not seeing much logic to the statement of not calling Australian manufactured cars Pontiacs................

And FWIW, I'm still very bitter over that decision to keep buick over Pontiac. I even designed a shirt in 2009, complete with coffin and headstone, and sold them to commemorate that event of GM dropping my favorite brand ever.





To add insult to injury, GM continued to send me literature in the mail to buy buick and chevy products after Pontiacs demise, that's never happening..................

I'll never buy another GM product new, even if I have to walk!!!

[FirebirdHank]

If a Solstice is actually a Saturn, even though it was designed by Pontiac and produced first, then all Camaros must actually be Firebirds.

[FHummel]

Originally Posted by NEW64OWNER

Just for conversation sake, what late model Pontiacs do you think may be future collectibles. Say 1987 up to the end of Pontiac

I have 2 G8 GTs and a Solstice GXP. I think all 3 will be (and are) collectibles. My 2008 is 1 of 927 (approximately 500 or so are the GTs) in the Ignition Orange Metallic with every option that was available plus some extra items from GM including special floormats with the GM logo, and a set of the jack and full size spare rim/tire. The other G8 is the PBM - no extras, plus the 2009 Solstice GXP with the GMPP turbo upgrade, automatic. All great driving cars and becoming scarcer and scarcer on the road.
FHummel

[Stuart]

The Solstice first appeared at the 2004 North American International Auto Show, and production started in mid-2005 for the 2006 model year. The Saturn Sky was about one year later. It first appeared at the 2005 NAIAS, and production started in the first quarter of 2006 for the 2007 model year.

There was also the Opel GT and the Daewoo G2X that weren't sold in North America. All of them were based on the Kappa platform, which in turn used a number of components from other platforms and GM divisions.

[The Champ]

Originally Posted by Stuart

The Solstice first appeared at the 2004 North American International Auto Show, and production started in mid-2005 for the 2006 model year. The Saturn Sky was about one year later. It first appeared at the 2005 NAIAS, and production started in the first quarter of 2006 for the 2007 model year.

Stuart

Using facts is a novel thought. Try and find a 2006 Saturn Sky...

FWIW - production numbers by year for the Pontiac Solstice vs the Johnny come lately Saturn Sky.

Saturn Sky Production
2007 16,567
2008 13,662
2009 4,178
2010 8
Total 34,415


Pontiac Soltice Production
2006 21,273
2007 24,018
2008 15,587
2009 4,826
2010 20
Total 65,724

The GM Wilmington plant produced cars for Buick, Pontiac and Oldsmobile starting in 1945. Over the years, it also produced Chevrolets, Opels, Daewoos (the Opels and Daewoos were built during the time of the Solstice and Sky) and of course the Saturn Sky and L Series.

The last vehicle ever made there was a Pontiac Solstice convertible.

[PontiacJim1959]

Originally Posted by The Champ

Stuart

Using facts is a novel thought. Try and find a 2006 Saturn Sky...

FWIW - production numbers by year for the Pontiac Solstice vs the Johnny come lately Saturn Sky.

Saturn Sky Production
2007 16,567
2008 13,662
2009 4,178
2010 8
Total 34,415


Pontiac Soltice Production
2006 21,273
2007 24,018
2008 15,587
2009 4,826
2010 20
Total 65,724

The GM Wilmington plant produced cars for Buick, Pontiac and Oldsmobile starting in 1945. Over the years, it also produced Chevrolets, Opels, Daewoos (the Opels and Daewoos were built during the time of the Solstice and Sky) and of course the Saturn Sky and L Series.

The last vehicle ever made there was a Pontiac Solstice convertible.

I may be wrong, but I think Stuart got it right? "production started in the first quarter of 2006 for the 2007 model year." So that statement to me says that the Saturn Sky models were 2007 models which is the same as the production numbers you posted. So where is Stuart wrong?

[Stuart]

I think Champ was simply substantiating what I said - see the production numbers in his post, they start in 2006 for the Solstice and 2007 for the Sky.

[1965gp]

What about Fiero’s? They seemed to be kind of a joke for a while but I am starting to see more show up in TV shows, movies and auctions.

[The Champ]

Originally Posted by PontiacJim1959

I may be wrong, but I think Stuart got it right?

You and Stuart are both right, and I was agreeing with Stuart's position..

My comment was directed at someone claiming that the Solstice is just a rebadged Sky.