[kingbuzzo]

spermdale? I don't like the sounds of that...lol

[Keith Seymore]

Originally Posted by kingbuzzo

spermdale? I don't like the sounds of that...lol

Fabulous Ferndale.

Burd has a way with wurds.

K

[burd]

Originally Posted by Keith Seymore

Fabulous Ferndale.

Burd has a way with wurds.

K

Hey it’s the Gay city, not that anything is wrong with that.
Como’s restaurant is called……….

Dream Cruise is a couple away, B, I’ll get pics of Higgins AKA Belcastro Pontiac, we start in spermdale and head north to Pontiac , also next year you come to my cars and coffee, I’ll give my Belcastro key chain from the collection, pus Jim Mattison said he’s stopping in, you can talk to him.

[Formulabruce]

A few packets I got from Jim when he first got the info had factory b&w press photos with a press release of the model you ordered. I was pleasantly surprised to see a factory photo of my formula 455 and ordered a window sticker back then.

[bhill86]

Thank you. I found the top photo as well but little else other than a bit of info on the name/owner change. Still, that was one piece of info I hoped to acquire with my PHS so you helped make the purchase worth it.

I also found that a member recently sold a license plate frame from that dealer back in the beginning of the year. Too bad I didn’t know at the time. Anyway, thank you again. Sorry for getting off on a tangent.

[RamAirBirds]

For Some, ANY cost to improve their business is prohibitive...Just sayin...
Kind of Surprised nobody here seems to be worried about the loss of these documents to time and conditions...
How does a person verify a car when the documents are beyond ability to read.
A proper Steward would "Find" a way to bring all these records into digital format.
which could include bringing a person/partner in to preserve these great documents. This has been offered by a least a few VERY qualified people...all met with the same response...
We can all agree we are very lucky to have these docs as many car makes do not but.....one day we don't want to look back and say "Remember when?"
Just think about it...
Of course maybe these posts just create a temporary influx of requests for paperwork as people will be worried about not getting one down the road...
More free $$.....

[hgiv]

Our car was bought new by my wife's father so we also knew much of the details. Also no surprises. But... it was cool to see the dealer invoice v. what he paid for the car. Also I had always wondered about some odd add ons, like fender trim pieces. Turns out they were on the invoice as "dealer added" option, handwritten.

[dataway]

I look at it like a Museum, while it's understanable that an entry fee has to be charged for access to the artwork ... it's also the museums responsibility to maintain and protect the artwork in the best way possible.

I assume PHS is not a charity, so while I really appreciate the fact the information is available, I not going to consider it a favor to the hobby, it's a service, and people pay for it, so of course they have the right to voice their opinion on how that service is provided.

Personally I would have never had the idea to make money off of it, I would have called on volunteers to digitize all of it and make it freely available to the hobby I love. But then that's probably why I've been broke most of my life

[Half-Inch Stud]

I got hardcopy a couple decades ago. I could pull off the black blobs over the pricing to reveal...the pricing. email gonna stay blobbed

[1968firebird455]

Jim did the community a great service by saving these documents, organizing and storing them and making them available for purchase. Remember these all could have remained in the dumpster and lost to the landfill. I'm sure if the corvette guys had this available there would be enough lawsuits to sink a battleship.

[Stuart]

Digitizing the records would be great but there are millions of them. It would probably take years to go through them all, and who knows how much that would cost. As pointed out back on the first page of this discussion:

Let's look at the numbers.
Pontiac built nearly seven million vehicles between 1961 and 1970. At 10 cents per image, that works out to nearly $700,000. If you expand the year count to 1980, you will more than double that figure.

If you could image each Billing History Card or Dealer Invoice at the rate of one per second, it would take one person, working 40 true hours per week, almost a year to complete the image recording. If the actual rate increased to 2 or 3 seconds per image, that would turn out to be a substantially lengthy effort.

Now that you've got that first decade digitized, you can start figuring the cost/time requirement for the OCR phase.

This has always figured as a massive project in time and money. Until the reader/printer that PHS is using at the moment has a fatal breakdown and no repair parts can be located, thus rendering the existing microfilm cassettes useless in their current form, there is no reason for PHS to venture away from the satus quo. However, if or when that unfortunate turn of events comes about, PHS will have a decision to make, but, it is their decision to make.

[dataway]

Converting microfilm, microfiche, to digital data is a huge business. Not sure what format the Pontiac data is in, but rolls are usually priced per roll .. $20-40. Typical roll has 2400 records so from about 1 cent per record to 1.6 cents per record. And the machines that do it are quite fast.
Microfiche holds about 100 records per sheet .. I assume the prices and speed are about the same.
Cost can increase if OCR is required, or there is some unusual requirements. But cost would probably never rise above 3 cents per record I wouldn't think.

So perhaps from as low as $8,500 per million records to $30,000 per million records.

[1968firebird455]

There is a program called 'Imagination' that we use to clean up speckling like that on scanned prints. It works extremely well. You just need to be careful with fine print.

[unruhjonny]

Wangers DVD??

[importsmasher]

I never bothered to get PHS for my 66 GTO, since I have the original window sticker, Protect-O-Plate, and full history of the car (parents bought it new), but since I read about the deteriorating records, I decided to go ahead and get it. There were no surprises lol.

Importsmasher

[TXSTARFIRE]

Anyone know when PHS started? The postmark on my PHS envelope is 1-31-1991, is that close to when it started? Looked through some PHS threads for this info and from what I found it looked like early 1990s?

[sdbob]

I thought about my 74 TA I bought new just never did. The one car I'm afraid of getting PHS for was my 1963 GP 4spd, no power brakes or steering, am radio seemed strange. Basic GP afraid it might have been special as I bought it from a connected Pontiac racer Fred Davisson.

[Jeff Hamlin]

Originally Posted by TXSTARFIRE

Anyone know when PHS started? The postmark on my PHS envelope is 1-31-1991, is that close to when it started? Looked through some PHS threads for this info and from what I found it looked like early 1990s?

According to his Bio on the PPA site 1989;

http://www.pontiacpreservationassoci...-mattison.html

[OG68]

I received my package sometime in the late eighties IIRC. I'd have to dig out the envelope with the post mark.