[cosgrove]

Please make this stop! I can't stand reading this anymore. But I can't stop . AAGGHH!

[TimeWarp]

Oh I agree on all of the above Dan. Just saying this is another version of the same idea. And we really don't need to be that way. It can just stop if everyone decides to quit the bickering and digs. Its one thing to put out some digs to a buddy in a friendly fashion. This isn't friendly.

[GTO Dan]

Originally Posted by TimeWarp

Oh I agree on all of the above Dan. Just saying this is another version of the same idea. And we really don't need to be that way. It can just stop if everyone decides to quit the bickering and digs. Its one thing to put out some digs to a buddy in a friendly fashion. This isn't friendly.

Agreed. There is a long history and a lot of bad blood. I'll admit I do like the trash talking, as long as it is not personal. It is just too ugly here from all sides.

I mentioned early on in this thread that the performance of the heads and combinations should do the talking. They now have a voice and more credibility than ever. Let them talk and if you do need to speak up handle it the way Dick and Robin do.

[Anderson Port Development]

Originally Posted by GTO Dan

Agreed. There is a long history and a lot of bad blood. I'll admit I do like the trash talking, as long as it is not personal. It is just too ugly here from all sides.

I mentioned early on in this thread that the performance of the heads and combinations should do the talking. They now have a voice and more credibility than ever. Let them talk and if you do need to speak up handle it the way Dick and Robin do.

... now that is a really good post, and i hear what your saying Dan, i will do my best ...

[pontibeast]

69Goat1 I need to find your machine shop guy. $300 for ports that make that kind of power makes me pissed. I live out in the woods and my head guy down in the sticks of NC hit me for 500 to port my 6X-8 heads to 260/220. Sounds like I need to come out to OK and visit some friends I have there. I was all happy about my iron heads and you had to come along and ruin it for me. Nice looking car BTW, that thing looks evil.

[69Goat1]

Originally Posted by pontibeast

69Goat1 I need to find your machine shop guy. $300 for ports that make that kind of power makes me pissed. I live out in the woods and my head guy down in the sticks of NC hit me for 500 to port my 6X-8 heads to 260/220. Sounds like I need to come out to OK and visit some friends I have there. I was all happy about my iron heads and you had to come along and ruin it for me. Nice looking car BTW, that thing looks evil.

Thanks...

The guy is not a machine shop guy. He is a disabled guy in a wheelchair that grinds on heads in his single car garage at his house. He mostly does stuff for himself only but occasionally he will grind a set of heads for a roundy round car... My Pontiac heads were the first he ever touched...

[PAUL K]

Originally Posted by pontibeast

69Goat1 I need to find your machine shop guy. $300 for ports that make that kind of power makes me pissed. I live out in the woods and my head guy down in the sticks of NC hit me for 500 to port my 6X-8 heads to 260/220. Sounds like I need to come out to OK and visit some friends I have there. I was all happy about my iron heads and you had to come along and ruin it for me. Nice looking car BTW, that thing looks evil.

$500 for those numbers isn't bad. I've done several port jobs for $700 that produced over 1700 horsepower. You just have to find the right knowledgeable guy that doesn't want to own two homes and a swimming pool.

[TimeWarp]

My fear with $300 porting is that you sometimes get what you pay for. lol I'd rather stick with someone like Dave at SD Perf or Bill. lol Hard to beat a CNC job that has proven itself before.

$300 could leave you with rather large paper weights.

[69Goat1]

Originally Posted by TimeWarp

My fear with $300 porting is that you sometimes get what you pay for. lol I'd rather stick with someone like Dave at SD Perf or Bill. lol Hard to beat a CNC job that has proven itself before.

$300 could leave you with rather large paper weights.

Or with 9.70's at 3400 lbs at 462 ci...

[Anderson Port Development]

Originally Posted by 69Goat1

Or with 9.70's at 3400 lbs at 462 ci...

... is there any video of this ?? ...

[69Goat1]

Originally Posted by Anderson Port Development

... is there any video of this ?? ...

Probably somewhere but we didn't take any. I am too busy driving and my wife is video challenged to say the least...

[pontibeast]

Originally Posted by TimeWarp

My fear with $300 porting is that you sometimes get what you pay for. lol I'd rather stick with someone like Dave at SD Perf or Bill. lol Hard to beat a CNC job that has proven itself before.

$300 could leave you with rather large paper weights.

Yeah, I hear you on that. I used a guy named Marty Warden as he was close enough for me to drive down and meet one on one and discuss my plans for the engine and I had heard good things about him from some other Pontiac guys. When I save and scratch enough money together to redo this engine it will be with SD Performance most likely doing the aluminum head porting and setup and I have already decided to have Paul K do the assembly as I have been really impressed by his attention to detail and he was very generous with his help on the engine I just finished even though I hadn't used his company for any of it. I don't run in the same crowd you guys do as far as budget and skill level but I am sure I will be happy even with the ported iron heads I have now as it is replacing a 350 Pontiac engine than ran a blistering 14.7 in my Lemans before it ate itself earlier this year. Should be a year or two before I just have to upgrade to better heads and bigger cam, last kid will be out of the house by then and hopefully the wife will have forgotten about how much I spent on this build.

[Brandn74]

I have watched this for a while now and to say the least its sad man sad.The ones that are most vocal about this head being a dud are the same ones coming up short on the track.Out of all the people that purchased these heads from Jim how many of yall can say you had a bad experience with him?He is one of the most helpful people you can meet.Built me a pair of heads and met me on a Saturday to pick them up not knowing if I was serious or not.How can anyone have a dislike for this dude other than because he want dance to your music.I can't fathom why this guy is getting such a bad wrap.Maybe he wouldn't give free parts who knows.Bill has been a big help on explaining about not just Pontiac but other heads from different makes.Why continue with the constant trove of bs when clearly none of you guys that are going on and on intend on buying these heads.Let the ones who purchased them (like myself) have a shot at making some power without all the opinionated bs.If Robin Roberts came to Norwalk from the desert and couldn't get a race then this whole argument of which is better is dead cause NOBODY has proven them wrong yet.Dick Fulton was at Norwalk this year and still no attempt to discredit the claims of Jim or Bill.I wonder why?From where I sit the cv1 is on top and if you think otherwise step up and get beside one of them at the track so everybody can see who has a better car at the track not the dyno room.If you make 1100-1200 on the dyno but get to the track and cant beat most sbc's then you might want to look at yourself not Roland Racing or Bill Anderson.Jim you and Bill keep doing what you are doing and the truth will come out it already has begun to.

[69Goat1]

Originally Posted by Brandn74

I have watched this for a while now and to say the least its sad man sad.The ones that are most vocal about this head being a dud are the same ones coming up short on the track.Out of all the people that purchased these heads from Jim how many of yall can say you had a bad experience with him?He is one of the most helpful people you can meet.Built me a pair of heads and met me on a Saturday to pick them up not knowing if I was serious or not.How can anyone have a dislike for this dude other than because he want dance to your music.I can't fathom why this guy is getting such a bad wrap.Maybe he wouldn't give free parts who knows.Bill has been a big help on explaining about not just Pontiac but other heads from different makes.Why continue with the constant trove of bs when clearly none of you guys that are going on and on intend on buying these heads.Let the ones who purchased them (like myself) have a shot at making some power without all the opinionated bs.If Robin Roberts came to Norwalk from the desert and couldn't get a race then this whole argument of which is better is dead cause NOBODY has proven them wrong yet.Dick Fulton was at Norwalk this year and still no attempt to discredit the claims of Jim or Bill.I wonder why?From where I sit the cv1 is on top and if you think otherwise step up and get beside one of them at the track so everybody can see who has a better car at the track not the dyno room.If you make 1100-1200 on the dyno but get to the track and cant beat most sbc's then you might want to look at yourself not Roland Racing or Bill Anderson.Jim you and Bill keep doing what you are doing and the truth will come out it already has begun to.

I ran against a power adder CV-1 car at the track...I was naturally aspirated. I did not hold the losing slip and it was not a bracket race...

[TimeWarp]

Originally Posted by 69Goat1

I ran against a power adder CV-1 car at the track...I was naturally aspirated. I did not hold the losing slip and it was not a bracket race...

And you can say you know it was the heads that were the issue with that car?

[69Goat1]

Originally Posted by TimeWarp

And you can say you know it was the heads that were the issue with that car?

All I know is "Bill" was a bunch faster before the CV-1 heads and was pretty bummed out about the whole deal. He was also building a bunch of blowby because it was a real mosquito killer. He ran 10 teens with a 400 CI with Eheads in the same car. Pretty sure it never went faster than that at 535 CI and blown...

[Anderson Port Development]

Originally Posted by 69Goat1

All I know is "Bill" was a bunch faster before the CV-1 heads and was pretty bummed out about the whole deal. He was also building a bunch of blowby because it was a real mosquito killer. He ran 10 teens with a 400 CI with Eheads in the same car. Pretty sure it never went faster than that at 535 CI and blown...

... you mean this guy correct ??? ...

http://forums.maxperformanceinc.com/...r.php?u=145495

[Anderson Port Development]

Originally Posted by 69Goat1

All I know is "Bill" was a bunch faster before the CV-1 heads and was pretty bummed out about the whole deal. He was also building a bunch of blowby because it was a real mosquito killer. He ran 10 teens with a 400 CI with Eheads in the same car. Pretty sure it never went faster than that at 535 CI and blown...

... well you are pretty wrong, as we just got off the phone with "Bill Hamilton" just now and he said that the car ran 10.50's with his CNC 330cfm E-Headed 455, and this is his 3800lbs firebird we're talking about, and he also said the car was heavier with the 541c.i. combo to the tune of 4000lbs ...

... and with the new combo went 10.20's even with all the blowby issues, which Bill did mention how bummed he was about how the new combo not seal ing the rings up properly, but he did not have issues with his CV-1's as you've made it sound like, Bill never got the combo sealed up before he put it in a different car ...

... so obviously your statements about Bill Hamilton's results were certainly not accurate ...

[Anderson Port Development]

Originally Posted by 69Goat1

I ran against a power adder CV-1 car at the track...I was naturally aspirated. I did not hold the losing slip and it was not a bracket race...

:l alala:

[TimeWarp]

I agreee. The personal stuff should stop. AND the stuff people claim isnt personal but really...is. Just let it go. Lets race hard and put the past behind us.