[Jack Gifford]

Just a little bit more info from the Pikes Peak article:

Dennie Moore buiilt that Pontiac-powered champ car, and he and John Zink built the engine. It was 360 c.i. (limit was 366 c.i. for modified production engines) and was dyno'd at 380 HP on alcohol.

The stock-class winning '58 Pontiac used a single 4-bbl.

The Unsers were out in force- brothers Louie, Jerry, and Bobby were all driving, and Jerry Sr. (their father) was wrenching on some cars.

Total purse was $22,500- in 1958 dollars- wow!

[Scott M]

Originally Posted by pontiac jack

I believe that's quite a crass over-simplification. No argument about Mickey being a businessman; but that simple statement ignores the fact that he was the "ultimate hotrodder", an impressive innovator, and truly loved motorsports [example: a magazine photo from about 1961 shows a spectator (Mickey Thompson) ripping his T-shirt off and tossing it to a driver to use to dry his distributor cap after drowning the engine in an off-road event water crossing!]. Another thing you're ignoring (since you weren't into hotrodding back then, I assume?) is that no engine was more desirable than the Pontiac V8 in those years. Mickey used the potential of that great engine design to good advantage- by 1964 he held 146 national/international speed records (if I counted right), all but a couple of them with Pontiac power.

Jack:

Crass or not, please don't shoot the messenger. I'm only telling you what Pulde told me. Of course, this may be Dale's take on things as he knew M/T in the late 60s, early 70s versus the time frame of which you speak.

And to be candid, I believe the term Dale used was "a money whore."

[Jack Gifford]

1958 Photos. Do you suppose:

1) That this is Ohio George?

2) That Ed Garlits is related to Don Garlits? This event was in Sebring, Florida. Don was one of the first to copy (I think in '58) the very recently developed "slingshot" chassis of the west coast.

[1971WARBIRD]

Originally Posted by pontiac jack

1958 Photos. Do you suppose:

1) That this is Ohio George?

more than likely.a few years back we were changing out the gear in my 73 TA.when we went to pick them up from Super Shops we were informed they messed up and didn't have what they said.since my friend was driving over 100 miles to set up the gears the search began.found a little speed shop that said sure i got a set.as i was paying for the gears i looked down a hall into the back of the shop and wow
"is that what i think it is?"
"what do you think it is"
"a 429 super cobra jet"
after that we talked for an hour or so.told me how Ford dropped off a semi of parts at his place when they got out of racing,how he now builds V6's for one of the Nascar series.great guy to talk to,could have spent days just listening to the stories.it was in the late 90's but he still had a shop in Huber Heights just northwest of Dayton Ohio.

[GonicGM]

Originally Posted by pontiac jack

1958 Photos. Do you suppose:

1) That this is Ohio George?

2) That Ed Garlits is related to Don Garlits? This event was in Sebring, Florida. Don was one of the first to copy (I think in '58) the very recently developed "slingshot" chassis of the west coast.

2) It's hard to tell from resolution but he certainly bears resemblance to Don, even the smile.

[Keith Seymore]

From the Chevy Truck site:

[marks73ta]

65nss4spdGTO, do you know alot about that '63 Medicine Man car? I always tell of a silver '63 that ran at Great Lakes Dragaway in Union Grove WI. "The Grove". I remember it running many different combinations of motors at different times. If this is the Cat did he run a built slant 4 in it one time? I remember a silver Catalina with many different motors on different occasion in the very early '70's. I think this was the car. Would love to know the truth. It seems tha tIremember the 4 cylinder running very low 13s/high 12s and really screaming? This in a full size Catalina. Thanks. Mark L

[Keith Seymore]

69 RA GTO posted this link on another thread:

http://www.vaautoracing.org/Gallery2.html

K

[poison heart]

I posted that link on the last page of this thread. Cool stuff

[Keith Seymore]

Originally Posted by poison heart

I posted that link on the last page of this thread. Cool stuff

Oops. Sorry - I'm usually pretty careful about dupes but I'm getting lazy...

I thought the photos of Richard Petty's drag car were notable.

K

[poison heart]

Richard Petty's drag car?

[Keith Seymore]

Originally Posted by poison heart

Richard Petty's drag car?

Ya. "43 Jr". It was a very short lived experiment.

They had a crash and killed a couple spectators and pulled the plug on it immediately.

K





Where ever this place was it was pulling in some pretty good cars:





If you squint your eyes, this almost looks like it could be one of those "Turbonetics" '65 GTOs:



The guy in the middle is obviously a motorcycle racer, too (lol):

[pont406]

Originally Posted by marks73ta

65nss4spdGTO, do you know alot about that '63 Medicine Man car? I always tell of a silver '63 that ran at Great Lakes Dragaway in Union Grove WI. "The Grove". I remember it running many different combinations of motors at different times. If this is the Cat did he run a built slant 4 in it one time? I remember a silver Catalina with many different motors on different occasion in the very early '70's. I think this was the car. Would love to know the truth. It seems tha tIremember the 4 cylinder running very low 13s/high 12s and really screaming? This in a full size Catalina. Thanks. Mark L

I believe the "Medinice Man" car was Arnie Beswick's old 63 SD Swiss cheese cat, It was owned by Ray Bisig (sp?) at that time.

[pont406]

Originally Posted by poison heart

Richard Petty's drag car?

Yeah King Richard left Nascar for the 65 season, because of the Hemi Ban If i remember right, went drag racing, built this Hemi powered Cuda, like Keith said, the car broke something in the front suspension, caused it to go in the stand at a track in Georgia, killed a young boy, he never drag raced again after that, doesn't even like to talk about the incident to this day. the remains of the car is setting in a Petty family friends back yard! there were pics of it in a Mopar mag a few years back.

[poison heart]

That's good info. I never knew about that

What if they banned HEMIs from sanctioned drag racing too back in the mid 60s?

[wreckmastr]

[65nss4spdGTO]

Originally Posted by marks73ta

65nss4spdGTO, do you know alot about that '63 Medicine Man car? I always tell of a silver '63 that ran at Great Lakes Dragaway in Union Grove WI. "The Grove". I remember it running many different combinations of motors at different times. If this is the Cat did he run a built slant 4 in it one time? I remember a silver Catalina with many different motors on different occasion in the very early '70's. I think this was the car. Would love to know the truth. It seems tha tIremember the 4 cylinder running very low 13s/high 12s and really screaming? This in a full size Catalina. Thanks. Mark L

Mark,

The Medicine Man was owned and raced by Ray Bisig. It was a Swiss Cheese car with an aluminum front end originally raced by Arnie. Ray ran SD engines, RAIV and when he sold the car, was running a RAV topped engine. Ray did run 4cyl engines in his Tempest, not sure if one ever found it's way into the big car. The car sat really high in the front and very low in the back. When retired the car was running in the 11's. Ray's partner, Dave Johnson also ran a silver 63 Catalina called the Rainmaker, not sure of the power plants in that car. Ray and Dave always found a way to get a hold of the rare engine stuff. Ray was so committed to racing without a big budget, he would tell his family to cut out anything the family didn't need as an essential cause he needed money for an upcoming race or special parts. Ray's car was sold to Bill Blair sometime in the 80's.

[marks73ta]

Thank you. Maybe it wasn't this car but it sure is close. OR, maybe my memory is better than the reality was??? Either way the car I remember left a lasting impression and could be why I loved Pontiacs, even before my first one. Unless Ray ran some high rpms with the RA V, it may be what I remember?? I just don't remember it saying Medicine Man but I do remember the Medicine Man Catalina. I distinctly remember the guy next to me in the stands saying he was running a 4 cylinder Pontiac in it today. Might have my cars mixed up. Oh crap. Alzheimers is hell. Mark L

[Bill Eveland]

This Rockys Goat ? Found these on the Hamb.

Originally Posted by jess5780

made a phone call today and found the history on the nemesis gto on page 36
this car was fred borcherdts it was rockys goat from rock hill pontiac in newark del.
it was a racecar its entire life. jerry stealy purchased the car from them changed the name to nemesis it held the E/S national record several times the last being at 11.93 and was set at dallas texas. the car was totaled when a car crossed the centerline and hit the wheels and fenders of the trailer down by eddyville iowa. the only remaining part is a door and that is in jeff stealys shop. sad ending to a great car.
as a side note the pontiac wagon on page 35 was also one of jerry stealys it was the car that replaced the gto and was an ahra superstocker the picture is when jerry heiser owned the car and ran it as a super/pro bracket car the car was also run as a super street 10.90 car and it always left with the front end that high or higher it is currently sitting in a garage in waterloo iowa as a rolling chassis the owner wants to put it on the street

[goatman65]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uyU-M0Pw51o

Royal car in the beginning,again at 1.22.66 GTO lettered 'Catnip' at 3.23. At 3.51 is a 65 Cat? lettered 'Satisfaction'.