[mike leech]

Originally Posted by Half-Inch Stud

You said yes. This DCK is for you: http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=2OBV3PfX3BQ

Is it 5 months to Norwalk?

4 1/2 months

[Half-Inch Stud]

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=RwK9ncm...ature=youtu.be Back to topic.

[Scott Roberts]

Im not doubting Tony's ability to do anything.. I am however doubting your ability to answer my question. I never said your engine would come apart, I said that your valve train would not live at high rpm. So is it an "1 or more offset and would u feel comfortable with 10k rpm on that valve train? Also, what tunnel ports besides yours have the push rod outside the port?

[J.C.you]

Originally Posted by Scott Roberts

Im not doubting Tony's ability to do anything.. I am however doubting your ability to answer my question. I never said your engine would come apart, I said that your valve train would not live at high rpm. So is it an "1 or more offset and would u feel comfortable with 10k rpm on that valve train? Also, what tunnel ports besides yours have the push rod outside the port?

What difference would it make if it is 2"s of offset? It is working at the rpm it is designed for. Are you calling 8500 a low rpm motor? lol.

I never said this setup would work at 10k rpm. I said 10k rpm could be attainable with moving things around on a SMALL ci motor. I assumed you would know that csa could be played with and a smaller port designed, thus less offset, cam lobes moved, lifter bores moved, etc.

An unrelated question, besides talking in circles, and a legit one.... how come your flopper ran 1/2 second slower in your possession than it does now with a less aero body?

[Scott Roberts]

Originally Posted by J.C.you

An unrelated question, besides talking in circles, and a legit one.... how come your flopper ran 1/2 second slower in your possession than it does now with a less aero body?

I had a specific point about a 406 tunnel port motor that was projected to make 2.7-3.0hp per inch. You took it all personal like and got butthurt over it. Never said your chit would blow up but thats how you took it so ok..maybe your valve train is a sensative subject to you.. im guessing you wake up in a sweat screaming over that nightmare.. anyways..to answer your question, money is the answer to your question.. we were not willing to spend the extra 30k + to go to the next level.new owner did. See how easy it was to answer a question with a straight answer..no circles here.
We can just agree to disagree and wait for the McCarty 406 to be built and see how it fairs.

[Scott Roberts]

two last points.. you have an impressive combo that nobody denies! i wish you the best with it. Also, the main issue on the tunnel port testing was not the valve train.. pro stock program was scrapped due to other issues with the head design and high rpm delivery. Carry on...:-)

[J.C.you]

Originally Posted by Scott Roberts

the main issue on the tunnel port testing was not the valve train.. pro stock program was scrapped due to other issues with the head design and high rpm delivery. Carry on...:-)

Scott, what head what that now? a Pontiac, Ford, Chevy, Mopar? Still waiting on your inside privy on those tests.... carry on...

[dci]

Scott, I could not find any info on anyone other than Steinbreck using a tunnel port head for Prostock. I did find some info on a 351 Ford with what they called a split port tunnel port design head. Kind of like what I have done with my heads. The guy claims it made 1023 HP. I could not find much more about it, except he claims it was outlawed because it gave the Ford boys an unfair advantage in Nascar. The heads were actually a Ford part in their motorsports catalog as recently as 1996. I know Tom V made mention of them, but other than that I could not find anything else about them. Does anyone know who the guy was that worked on this program for Junior Johnson? If so, I would love to get the guys number or email.


Don Johnston
DCI MOTORSPORTS INC.
330-850-5050 shop
330-628-3354 cell
Designer of the DCI Tiger Heads and the NEW DCI Ram Air 5 Heads !!!!!

[pastry_chef]

Originally Posted by dci

Scott, I could not find any info on anyone other than Steinbreck using a tunnel port head for Prostock. I did find some info on a 351 Ford with what they called a split port tunnel port design head. Kind of like what I have done with my heads. The guy claims it made 1023 HP. I could not find much more about it, except he claims it was outlawed because it gave the Ford boys an unfair advantage in Nascar. The heads were actually a Ford part in their motorsports catalog as recently as 1996. I know Tom V made mention of them, but other than that I could not find anything else about them. Does anyone know who the guy was that worked on this program for Junior Johnson? If so, I would love to get the guys number or email.

Don,

http://speedtalk.com/forum/viewtopic...&sid=0a1051f0c

See posts:

Darin Morgan » Sun Jul 02, 2006 6:41 pm

"The only tunnel port head I had anything to do with was that piece of crap Ford came out with because Junior Johnson though it would be a good idea. All I did was port it and flow it and tell them it would never work because the wet flow was total junk."

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This one is pretty interesting as well!

Darin Morgan » Mon Jul 03, 2006 3:39 pm

"I dont mean to be overly critical but this guy is living in Disney land if he thinks that thing will come close to 2.25hp/cid much less 2.6 or 2.7. Thats just plane silly! "

------LMAO

Then Lynn replies:
CMI Motorsports » Tue Jul 04, 2006

"I agree that Pontiacs do not have the capability now or in the near future of making 2.5 or greater HP per cubic inch. Sorry if one of my posts suggested that, but it was probably one post taken out of context with many other posts and threads. "

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http://forums.maxperformanceinc.com/....php?p=4687111

More delirium! July 2012

Originally Posted by NHRASuperStock455SD

With our existing ports 2.7 for this engine is very capable, we must work very hard to get 2.9. We will post this project as it happens.

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Where I am from, when we say we will do something, we DO IT!
Stop the BS.

[J.C.you]

[QUOTE=pastry_chef;5158727]Don,

http://speedtalk.com/forum/viewtopic...&sid=0a1051f0c

See posts:

Darin Morgan » Sun Jul 02, 2006 6:41 pm

"The only tunnel port head I had anything to do with was that piece of crap Ford came out with because Junior Johnson though it would be a good idea. All I did was port it and flow it and tell them it would never work because the wet flow was total junk."

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This one is pretty interesting as well!

Darin Morgan » Mon Jul 03, 2006 3:39 pm

"I dont mean to be overly critical but this guy is living in Disney land if he thinks that thing will come close to 2.25hp/cid much less 2.6.


Morgan may have to eat that estimate of 2.25. The man is not infallible, we are not quoting bible verses.

[pastry_chef]

Originally Posted by J.C.you

Darin Morgan » Mon Jul 03, 2006 3:39 pm

"I dont mean to be overly critical but this guy is living in Disney land if he thinks that thing will come close to 2.25hp/cid much less 2.6.


Morgan may have to eat that estimate of 2.25. The man is not infallible, we are not quoting bible verses.

Well.. between Darin's 2.25 and McCarty's repeated ongoing claims of 2.7 plus I know where I would place my bets..

And your comment now coming from someone who insisted the pushrod be removed from the port..
There's faith for ya.. LMAO

[J.C.you]

Originally Posted by pastry_chef

Well.. between Darin's 2.25 and McCarty's repeated ongoing claims of 2.7 plus I know where I would place my bets..

And your comment now coming from someone who insisted the pushrod be removed from the port..
There's faith for ya.. LMAO

Morgan didn't like the port because of the pushrod in the middle. I bet he would reconsider the 2.25 figure with it out of the port. Also we don't know what the old tunnel port casting they were working with looked like either. It may have been a pos. Lynns and Dons heads especially have potential to up the bar further than any inline head out there. Pro stock level? No, but I am talking 2.3 per cube not the 2.7 it seemed to have grown to.

[dci]

I forgot to mention. If it is indeed true, which I am not saying it is. That engine made 2.91 HP per cube!!!!!


Don Johnston
DCI MOTORSPORTS INC.
330-850-5050 shop
330-628-3354 cell
Designer of the DCI Tiger Heads and the NEW DCI Ram Air 5 Heads !!!!!

[J.C.you]

Don, it would be nice to have one of those heads to see what the mindset was at the time.

[dci]

JC, It looks like to me that they made two ports that share one intake valve. That was exactly what I had in mind when I did my port design, but I did not connect the center or the ports together. After I did some flow testing. Having a solid wall did not make the port flow any better. So my thought was that without it we could gain back some port volume without hurting torque. I think that if my port design works out that the problem with pushrod geometry will be almost non existent.


Don Johnston
DCI MOTORSPORTS INC.
330-850-5050 shop
330-628-3354 cell
Designer of the DCI Tiger Heads and the NEW DCI Ram Air 5 Heads !!!!!

[Stan Weiss]

Don,
My memory is not what it used to be. But I believe that NHRA 500 ci Pro Stock engines at that time ('96) were well under 1300 HP which is 2.6 Hp per ci.

Stan

[smokey 1978]

We should all get along with one another and focus on bashing on chevy,mopar and ford and help each other out instead of comparing engine combos.We are all brothers here and we need to focus on making Pontiac even greater!!!! Great job on that bad ass combo J.C. and i can assure you all that J.C. can build any engine combination at any rpm desired what it all comes down to is $$$$$$ Im not choosing sides here i have respect for everyone on the py

[T Syron]

Originally Posted by smokey 1978

We should all get along with one another and focus on bashing on chevy,mopar and ford and help each other out instead of comparing engine combos.We are all brothers here and we need to focus on making Pontiac even greater!!!! Great job on that bad ass combo J.C. and i can assure you all that J.C. can build any engine combination at any rpm desired what it all comes down to is $$$$$$ Im not choosing sides here i have respect for everyone on the py

Amen Brother!

Good post.

Tom Syron

[dci]

Your probably right Stan. I don't think that the head I'm referring to was used in Prostock, but Nascar.


Don Johnston
DCI MOTORSPORTS INC.
330-850-5050 shop
330-628-3354 cell
Designer of the DCI Tiger Heads and the NEW DCI Ram Air 5 Heads !!!!!

[dci]

Pont428, What are the spec's on your build if you don't mind me asking? I don't know if we have ever met before. Were are you located?



Don Johnston
DCI MOTORSPORTS INC.
330-850-5050 shop
330-628-3354 cell
Designer of the DCI Tiger Heads and the NEW DCI Ram Air 5 Heads !!!!!