[PAUL K]

Originally Posted by GTOGEORGE

Everyone has an opinion! LOL!!
Id stick the smaller companies that really care about US Pontiac guys BUT thats just me!

GTO George

Hi George! Most people have an opinion but not everyone. Some opinions are based off of working in the industry for more than thirty years, porting and setting up over a thousand cylinder heads. Some opinions are based off of having a personal "man crush" on a certain Pontiac vendor.

[PAUL K]

Originally Posted by 64speed

So what's the part number for the bare cnc round port Edelbrock in satin finish cause I can't find them in the catalog? I want them bare because my machinist is gonna match the springs to the cam and put better valves etc on them

The shop you buy the heads from should be happy to supply you with the part number you're seeking. What's wrong with the valves the Edelbrock heads come with? Which valves are better? Why are they better?

[64speed]

I think he wants them bare because he's gonna do his on valve job and put the springs from comp that match whichever came I choose etc. I am paying with them with a summit credit card so I won't be getting them from a mom and pop

[GTOGEORGE]

Originally Posted by PAUL K

Hi George! Most people have an opinion but not everyone. Some opinions are based off of working in the industry for more than thirty years, porting and setting up over a thousand cylinder heads. Some opinions are based off of having a personal "man crush" on a certain Pontiac vendor.

Man crush.....that's FUNNY, I support the Pontiac little guys the ones that actually care about Pontiac guys.....plain and simple!
......some opinions are based on over 40 of racing experience and buying race car parts!

GTO George

[Richie Hoffman]

Quality of some of the Pontiac specific vendors is getting bad that's all I'm going to say I have 33 yrs racing and building Pontiac s I have seen a lot some good some bad

[Richie Hoffman]

Whichever head u choose get somebody good to build them

[GTOGEORGE]

Originally Posted by Richie Hoffman

Quality of some of the Pontiac specific vendors is getting bad that's all I'm going to say I have 33 yrs racing and building Pontiac s I have seen a lot some good some bad

Yes there are some, there are always some.


GTO George

[Navy Horn 16]

Originally Posted by 64speed

So what's the part number for the bare cnc round port Edelbrock in satin finish cause I can't find them in the catalog?

http://bfy.tw/CueG

This is a good start.

[Steve C.]

http://www.edelbrock.com/automotive/...erformer.shtml


http://www.edelbrock.com/automotive/...heads/pontiac/

.

[PAUL K]

Originally Posted by 64speed

I think he wants them bare because he's gonna do his on valve job and put the springs from comp that match whichever came I choose etc. I am paying with them with a summit credit card so I won't be getting them from a mom and pop

Nothing wrong with Summit. They should be happy to provide you with the part number you're seeking.

[gassman_67]

I just returned from Kauffman, I have an entire long block with their 310 KRE D ports, customer service is TOP NOTCH.. I could not get a hold of Dave at SD, apparently TOO busy to return a PM or email....I guess he doesn't need my business.
Kauffman is the way to go!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[tom s]

If you use Summit,ask for Scott Esterly,he is a pontiac racer.Tom

[geeteeohguy]

OK, here's my situation: 1965 GTO with a 389 I built in 1981. It now has 50,000 miles on it and runs like a champ----on race gas. Good compression, not leaking oil (unbelievable, I know), dependable, but with the compression at 11:1 (milled 77 heads and flat top pistons..64cc) it doesn't like today's gas. Running an old Sig Erson Hi Flow 1 cam with a tight 106 or 108 center , single pattern cam, 4 speed, trips, hedman headers and a 3.36 gear. Car is a solid #3 car I've had forever. But hardly drive due to its exotic fuel requirements. If I were to install aluminum heads to alleviate the detonation problem, which ones would I want? I use the car for road trips out of town, and street driving. No racing. What would be the turn-key, go-to, easy head to buy and install for a moderate street 389-400? What aluminum head would allow me to once again run pump gas?

[FrankieT/A]

Originally Posted by geeteeohguy

OK, here's my situation: 1965 GTO with a 389 I built in 1981. It now has 50,000 miles on it and runs like a champ----on race gas. Good compression, not leaking oil (unbelievable, I know), dependable, but with the compression at 11:1 (milled 77 heads and flat top pistons..64cc) it doesn't like today's gas. Running an old Sig Erson Hi Flow 1 cam with a tight 106 or 108 center , single pattern cam, 4 speed, trips, hedman headers and a 3.36 gear. Car is a solid #3 car I've had forever. But hardly drive due to its exotic fuel requirements. If I were to install aluminum heads to alleviate the detonation problem, which ones would I want? I use the car for road trips out of town, and street driving. No racing. What would be the turn-key, go-to, easy head to buy and install for a moderate street 389-400? What aluminum head would allow me to once again run pump gas?

I say, "out of the box" KRE D ports...I might think about a cam change as well, on KRE's recommendation.

[i82much]

Originally Posted by geeteeohguy

OK, here's my situation: 1965 GTO with a 389 I built in 1981. It now has 50,000 miles on it and runs like a champ----on race gas. Good compression, not leaking oil (unbelievable, I know), dependable, but with the compression at 11:1 (milled 77 heads and flat top pistons..64cc) it doesn't like today's gas. Running an old Sig Erson Hi Flow 1 cam with a tight 106 or 108 center , single pattern cam, 4 speed, trips, hedman headers and a 3.36 gear. Car is a solid #3 car I've had forever. But hardly drive due to its exotic fuel requirements. If I were to install aluminum heads to alleviate the detonation problem, which ones would I want? I use the car for road trips out of town, and street driving. No racing. What would be the turn-key, go-to, easy head to buy and install for a moderate street 389-400? What aluminum head would allow me to once again run pump gas?

You should be fine on premium with either the 72 cc Edelbrock D port or the 74 cc KRE D port. Your application is exactly why those heads come with that size chamber.

[PAUL K]

Originally Posted by geeteeohguy

OK, here's my situation: 1965 GTO with a 389 I built in 1981. It now has 50,000 miles on it and runs like a champ----on race gas. Good compression, not leaking oil (unbelievable, I know), dependable, but with the compression at 11:1 (milled 77 heads and flat top pistons..64cc) it doesn't like today's gas. Running an old Sig Erson Hi Flow 1 cam with a tight 106 or 108 center , single pattern cam, 4 speed, trips, hedman headers and a 3.36 gear. Car is a solid #3 car I've had forever. But hardly drive due to its exotic fuel requirements. If I were to install aluminum heads to alleviate the detonation problem, which ones would I want? I use the car for road trips out of town, and street driving. No racing. What would be the turn-key, go-to, easy head to buy and install for a moderate street 389-400? What aluminum head would allow me to once again run pump gas?

Unless you already have the universal 389/400 pistons you will have valve to piston issues switching to a later model or aftermarket cylinder head.

[ponjohn]

Originally Posted by FrankieT/A

I say, "out of the box" KRE D ports...I might think about a cam change as well, on KRE's recommendation.

KRE is getting 545 out of as cast d-ports. This particular combo had fast EFI.

[JLMounce]

Originally Posted by geeteeohguy

OK, here's my situation: 1965 GTO with a 389 I built in 1981. It now has 50,000 miles on it and runs like a champ----on race gas. Good compression, not leaking oil (unbelievable, I know), dependable, but with the compression at 11:1 (milled 77 heads and flat top pistons..64cc) it doesn't like today's gas. Running an old Sig Erson Hi Flow 1 cam with a tight 106 or 108 center , single pattern cam, 4 speed, trips, hedman headers and a 3.36 gear. Car is a solid #3 car I've had forever. But hardly drive due to its exotic fuel requirements. If I were to install aluminum heads to alleviate the detonation problem, which ones would I want? I use the car for road trips out of town, and street driving. No racing. What would be the turn-key, go-to, easy head to buy and install for a moderate street 389-400? What aluminum head would allow me to once again run pump gas?

My setup runs on 87/88 octane.

.030 over 455
As cast KRE D's 85 CC chamber (roughly 10.25:1)
Jeff K spec'd comp roller 232/238 on 112 with XFI lobes / Lunati roller lifters

I received them setup from Kauffman, bolted them on and have been driving ever since. Like you, I used to have an 11:1 iron headed engine and had to run 100 octane through it at significant cost and limited supply.

[madokie]

personally if i won the lottery,, i would go with KRE, they are real pontiac guys, not just another big speed parts company.. but the biggest reason is KRE is NOT located in the Demokratic state of Kalifornia !!!

[b-man]

I'd go Edelbrock round port simply because header installation is so much easier, they're available with modern chambers now.

Let's keep Ca political comments out of this please.