[mgarblik]

Originally Posted by getmygoat

Tesla is introducing a battery that will last one million miles. Will be announced in September. Also, Tesla is planning to recycle batteries at its gigafactories. The old batteries represent a "high grade ore" that can be used as a source for Lithium, Nickel, Cobalt, etc.

Gas powered cars are history in the medium term.

Well, Elon Musk also said he would be selling 500,000 cars a year by 2020. Well, it's 2020, and he will probably be at around 300,000 units. But in all fairness to him, the pandemic has slowed sales so lets be fair. He did sell 367,000 units in 2019, pre-pandemic in what was at that time the strongest economy in modern times. So when he says he will deliver a 1,000,000 mile battery in September, it will likely be about 1/2-2/3 of his claim. But that's still very impressive. Toyota Prius batteries, which I work with daily last typically at least 10 years, and I have seen many go beyond 300,000 miles before degrading much. They don't just die like a cranking battery, they slowly lose range and take longer to charge. On a hybrid, that just means the gas engine runs more often and longer, not a huge deal. On a pure EV, of course it's more of an issue. I have been buying good used batteries from wrecking yards for hybrid cars, Prius, Highlander, Escape, Insight. Typically, $500-750.00. They have all worked just fine so far in customers vehicles. Parts stores sell reconditioned batteries for about 1/2 the price of new as well. So think of a new battery in terms of what a replacement engine might cost. Roughly equivalent. ICE, and EV cars can live together and will for decades to come. Making a statement that gas powered cars are history, may be a little premature. I am sure Francis Edgar Stanley said the same thing when his steamer first hit the road.

[getmygoat]

They have not revised the guidance for 500k cars this year. Battery cost declines are expected to be ~5% per year. Panasonic has already said 20% reduction over 5 years.

Time will tell.

[The Champ]

Originally Posted by mgarblik

Well, Elon Musk also said....

Elon says a lot of things.

He announced in September 2015 that the Model 3 would be unveiled in March of 2016. In May of 2016 Musk announced that he would produce 100,000 Model 3's in 2017 (produced less than 3,000) and 400,000 in 2018 (produced less than 165,000).

He said the Model 3 would be a $35,000 car and took over 500,000 deposits of $1,000 each and then failed to deliver a $35,000 Model 3 in 2017 or 2018. You could buy a $40 - 70,000 Model 3, but he refused to build the $35,000 one he promised when he accepted $500,000,000 in deposits.

It's 2020 and you still can't find the $35,000 Model 3 SR on the Tesla website, but apparently if you configure a SR Plus ($39,900) and pay a $100.00 order fee, there is a way to finangle your way through the system to the point where you have to stop the process and wait for Tesla to email you about completing your order.

Then you need to STOP everything and reach out to a Tesla Store or showroom, provide the Tesla employee your VIN#, and request them to flag your Model 3 order to be a Standard Range model. This will take several DAYS.

And then you can get your white (ONLY) Model 3 for $35,000, plus $1200 destination fee, plus $100 order fee for a total (before tax) of $36,300.

If you want one, here are the detailed instructions here:

https://www.teslarati.com/tesla-mode...-buying-guide/

Norway has been the leader of the EV movement. It used to be a Tesla success story. The Norwegians are probably the most experienced and knowledgeable EV buyers on the planet.

Tesla has sold 20,818 Model S's, 17,505 Model 3's and 13,388 Model X's in Norway - or over 50,000 Tesla's.

Bit for 2020 YTD - sales for Tesla have cratered - only 87 Model S's, 1818 Model 3's and 213 Model X's - or just over 2100 total have been sold this year. As a reference point - Tesla sold over 5300 Model 3's in March of 2019 alone last year.

Meanwhile, in 2020, Audi has sold 6428 of their E-trons, VW has sold 3992 of their Golfs, Nissan has sold 3363 of their Leafs and Hyundai has sold 2996 of their Konas.

The Pandemic is everywhere, but people are still buying EV's in Norway, they just aren't buying Tesla's like they used to.

[SRR]

Doesn't hitting a battery with a fast high charge every time shorten battery life? What about our aging grids? Here in San Diego they hit us with high rates between 4-9 P.M. because they say there isn't enough renewable energy during this time. I guess if you didn't plug in your electric car until 9:01 P.M. it would be OK.

[getmygoat]

Originally Posted by SRR

Doesn't hitting a battery with a fast high charge every time shorten battery life? What about our aging grids? Here in San Diego they hit us with high rates between 4-9 P.M. because they say there isn't enough renewable energy during this time. I guess if you didn't plug in your electric car until 9:01 P.M. it would be OK.

The car is programmable to only charge itself during off peak hours. I was just looking at solar roof today. For about $30k you get a new roof and three power walls, which are batteries that store the power during the day and you run off the batteries at night. Pretty much you are off the grid with this system.

I'm in San Diego also, we have a great environment for solar.

[The Champ]

Holy Tesla thread resurrection, Batman....

Tesla stock having it's problems - 52 week high was $385, 52 week low was $101 and current price is $173 per share.

Lot's of options for those that want an electric car today.

[kingbuzzo]

https://www.autoblog.com/2023/03/08/...s-falling-off/

[jerry455]

Tesla's seem like nice cars but I think they are ugly. I don't care for the look at all. I would not trade my 1976 "plain Jane" Firebird for one. I love the sound of my car; it makes me smile every time I start it up. I do not like the sound of the whirring of the electric drivetrain. One of the Toyota SUV's, I am not sure which one, sounds like a dragging brake caliper when it is driving slowly. It sounds terrible. I thought it was something wrong until the owner said it was supposed to sound that way. I am not a fan of all of the technology in these cars. It makes the driver less capable thinking that the car will take care of everything. You hear about crashes all of the time with these self-driving features.

[kingbuzzo]

Ya but removable steering wheel...c'mon

[mzbk2l]

I've started seeing these guys on the road; I'd really like to check one out!

[Stuart]

I've seen a few Lucids running around here too, along with some Rivians.

[dataway]

If I was rich'ish I'd try one for sure. One reason I would is that Musk is just crazy enough to actually care how his car works. Yeah he wants to make money, everyone does ... but it's kind of like buying a Ford from Henry Ford .. when he cared about how well they worked. Like Henry ... Elon pioneered a lot of new technology and processes with his company.
At this point EVs are an option, not a solution.

[scott70]

Originally Posted by dataway

If I was rich'ish I'd try one for sure. One reason I would is that Musk is just crazy enough to actually care how his car works. Yeah he wants to make money, everyone does ... but it's kind of like buying a Ford from Henry Ford .. when he cared about how well they worked. Like Henry ... Elon pioneered a lot of new technology and processes with his company.
At this point EVs are an option, not a solution.

Thats right,,,a option. Which is fine,,if you want a EV then good for you. Im not interested,,dont care if it went so fast it took flight. Until further improvements they are not practical for towing,cold weather,long distances,etc to ME. Just dont try to cram EVs down our throats and say thats the only option. If I won the lottery a EV still wouldnt be on my list. Id buy a hybrid first.

[turbo69bird]

Originally Posted by scott70

Thats right,,,a option. Which is fine,,if you want a EV then good for you. Im not interested,,dont care if it went so fast it took flight. Until further improvements they are not practical for towing,cold weather,long distances,etc to ME. Just dont try to cram EVs down our throats and say thats the only option. If I won the lottery a EV still wouldnt be on my list. Id buy a hybrid first.

I absolutely agree 100% they shouldn’t be crammed down your or my or anyone’s throats. F them for doing that .

BUT they are relaible and viable for all those oops you mentioned except towing heavy loads

My car does pretty well still in cold weather. In fact il test it today w wind chill in the negatives . I’d say it eats more battery for sure but still gets me where I want to go. 330 miles on regukar weather , I’d plan for half that on super cold days but just like anything else there’s charging stations you just have to plan . I’d say it’s equivalent to driving a diesel and knowing where diesel stations are located. Most police stations will allow you to charge these days

It’s an amazing car . But agree no one should be forced into it. If it’s so good you shouldn’t hav ego be and they are NOT GREEN the rare earth minerals mining and the build of the car take 25 years to pay off in carbon footprint. Anyone says differnt they are lying.

[The Champ]

Originally Posted by turbo69bird

My car does pretty well still in cold weather. In fact il test it today w wind chill in the negatives .

A car doesn't react to "wind chill", only to air temps.

A car isn't human, no matter how much "artificial intelligence" it has.

[deafcrump]

I would imagine the ICE vehicles that catch fire are older, with less than stellar maintenance records and there are a lot more ICE vehicles than EV's.

[The Champ]

"The word 'recall' for an over-the-air software update is anachronistic and just flat wrong," Musk tweeted.


The NHTSA defines recall as:

"A recall is issued when a manufacturer or NHTSA determines that a vehicle, equipment, car seat, or tire creates an unreasonable safety risk or fails to meet minimum safety standards."

I don't see anything in that wording that says how a manufacturer corrects the unreasonable safety risk.

Musk is a brilliant individual in many ways. But ego can be a problem. His word salad response is trying to deflect from the fact that Tesla screwed up.

[geeteeohguy]

Originally Posted by Bob Timmermans

Hey , guys
a couple of days ago I drove my bosses Performance Tesla 3.

Ever since that time I'm kinda wondering what the h#ll I'm doing with the GTO.
I've bought that car 20 years ago because of the performance possibilities it presents when building it yourself as a hobby.

Performance wise I'm no competition for a Tesla , it will leaf you burning rubber without any sound or drama.
And I have to say I really love that and respect the tecnology behind it.
Because they don't blow hugh amounts of unburned fuel into the air , leak oil everywhere and need very little maintenance.
Only thing is the batteries , don't know about the future implications of those .

It just kinda put a negative spin on my hobby.

Just venting.

I've been driving first gen GTO's every day , to and from work, to the store, cross country, etc. for the past 45 years. So not a 'hobby' for me.
Electric cars are fast, impractical appliances, nothing more. If that appeals to you, great. Sell the old GTO and buy a nice new appliance. In 20 years, guess which one will be recycled into washing machines and toasters and guess which one will gain in value? LOL....

[scott70]

Originally Posted by geeteeohguy

I've been driving first gen GTO's every day , to and from work, to the store, cross country, etc. for the past 45 years. So not a 'hobby' for me.
Electric cars are fast, impractical appliances, nothing more. If that appeals to you, great. Sell the old GTO and buy a nice new appliance. In 20 years, guess which one will be recycled into washing machines and toasters and guess which one will gain in value? LOL....

Bingo!!! I wouldnt take 2 teslas for my gto. I feel something when Im out on the road with my gto which I could never get out of one these battery cars,,,no matter how fast they are.

[turbo69bird]

Originally Posted by geeteeohguy

I've been driving first gen GTO's every day , to and from work, to the store, cross country, etc. for the past 45 years. So not a 'hobby' for me.
Electric cars are fast, impractical appliances, nothing more. If that appeals to you, great. Sell the old GTO and buy a nice new appliance. In 20 years, guess which one will be recycled into washing machines and toasters and guess which one will gain in value? LOL....

Why are they impractical? I can tell you mine will smoke your GTO at the track with 1020 HP , out handle it , carry my kids skis and all their stuff, carry 6 passengers, get 330 mile range on a charge, is all wheel drive in the snow , what’s impractical about it?


I love your enthusiasm for Pontiacs guys I really do but I own a turbocharged )9 bird that makes 960 hp and a real RAIV bird . They are great but the Tesla plaid destroys them in all around competition on almost any one of their attributes. With the exception of rarity on my IV car.

There’s just no comparison these cars destroy almost anything else on the road anyone who says otherwise hasn’t owned one . My buddy has lambos and I wouldn’t swap him because my Tesla plaid does everything better. Best car I’ve ever driven or owned by a power of 10! And I’ve had some nasty freaking cars .