[Anderson Port Development]

Originally Posted by TimeWarp

#1...you ACT like it has something to do with the heads. Especially since the context is a change to CV-1 heads

#2...he's used various examples, from ones that are still sorting themselves out to ones that are. A 150 hp increase is an increase. If the car only gained a little in ET and mph its pretty obvious to consider looking beyond the heads.

#3...Yes, Bill brought the car up. A 150 hp increase by bolting on a set of heads is pretty impressive. Period. If the car isnt sorted yet...well again, its the car not the heads most likely.

I really think you like this argument enough that you are willing to ignore what others see. MOST people would be pretty happy with such a gain. But I guess you wouldn't be.

... the word political comes to mind here ... it's more a matter of who does it now, than what does it now ...

[slowbird]

Originally Posted by TimeWarp

Once again you miss the point. IF your converter were slipping.....YOUR converter that is....you might not have gained .5 and 10 mph. But I guess you would have blamed it on the heads.

If my converter was slipping that bad i would know it and have it fixed.

[Anderson Port Development]

Originally Posted by PAUL K

TTB is very well versed in expected gains from increased power. All of his CV1 combos have made more power than their predecessor.

... kinda not sure Paul, what exactly are you saying here ?? ...

[Anderson Port Development]

Originally Posted by slowbird

Lol! No hate, just saying i didn't find it impressive like Bill did. I know when i gained 150hp my car ran .5+ quicker and 10mph. Thought i should point out why i felt that way.

... well ok great, how bout you come out and tell everyone watching here exactly what you changed to gain that level of HP with the same type of cylinder head Brian ??? ...

... because Kelvin Poe just changed top ends, but you on the other hand made quite a few more changes than that, now didn't you ??? ...

[TimeWarp]

Originally Posted by slowbird

If my converter was slipping that bad i would know it and have it fixed.

Sure sounds like you would have blamed it on the heads.

[slowbird]

Originally Posted by TimeWarp

#1...you ACT like it has something to do with the heads. Especially since the context is a change to CV-1 heads

#2...he's used various examples, from ones that are still sorting themselves out to ones that are. A 150 hp increase is an increase. If the car only gained a little in ET and mph its pretty obvious to consider looking beyond the heads.

#3...Yes, Bill brought the car up. A 150 hp increase by bolting on a set of heads is pretty impressive. Period. If the car isnt sorted yet...well again, its the car not the heads most likely.

I really think you like this argument enough that you are willing to ignore what others see. MOST people would be pretty happy with such a gain. But I guess you wouldn't be.

Sorry i don't blindly believe dyno sheets. I question everything. Ive been on the dyno A LOT enough to know to question things.

[slowbird]

Originally Posted by Anderson Port Development

... well ok great, how bout you come out and tell everyone watching here exactly what you changed to gain that level of HP with the same type of cylinder head Brian ??? ...

... becasue Kelvin Poe just changed top ends, but you on the other hand made quite a few more changes than that, now didn't you ??? ...

Kelvin changed more than just heads.
What did i change?

[slowbird]

Originally Posted by TimeWarp

Sure sounds like you would have blamed it on the heads.

Sorry to give that impression, maybe its the heads maybe it's something else, i don't know. But i do know i wouldn't be using a car with issues to back up an argument.

[Anderson Port Development]

Originally Posted by slowbird

Kelvin changed more than just heads.
What did i change?

... oh yeah, like what ?? ...

... and you're asking me, what you changed ??? ...

... really ??? ...

[TimeWarp]

Slowbird, yeah, dynos are funny things. They can be off, sometimes more than a little. So lets say......it was REALLY only a 100 hp gain. Still impressive. Still a reason to look for something else in the car that wasn't quite right.

Still a reason to be pretty impressed with a head change. Dynos dont win races. But they also arent completely useless either. They are useful.

And again...seems like you missed the whole point. Are you really dense? No, I don't think so. I think you have an agenda here. So let me make the point REALLY, REALLY CLEAR. Follow me on this one.......

Let's say you're a racer. I think from your picture you are? You make a head change and gain .2-.3 and 3 mph. Even if that was your only gain......its a fairly impressive one.

[Jack Ferris]

I wanted to buy his old cam when I bought his old HP top end. I was told the cam had issues and shouldn't be used. I don't know if he replaced it with an identical cam or something different. I recently bought a different cam from Mr. Poe, but I have no idea what it came out of.

[Anderson Port Development]

Originally Posted by slowbird

Sorry to give that impression, maybe its the heads maybe it's something else, i don't know. But i do know i wouldn't be using a car with issues to back up an argument.

... Poe's car now has issues huh ??? ... you do remember it was faster, right ??? it was faster Brian, period, it was faster with what ever issues you contend Poe's car had, those issues were still affecting the CV-1 combo, so it's still apples to apples comparison, yes ??? ...

... which resulted in Poe's car going faster ... faster Brian, faster with issues, faster ...

[Anderson Port Development]

Originally Posted by Jack Ferris

I wanted to buy his old cam when I bought his old HP top end. I was told the cam had issues and shouldn't be used. I don't know if he replaced it with an identical cam or something different. I recently bought a different cam from Mr. Poe, but I have no idea what it came out of.

... ...

[slowbird]

Originally Posted by Anderson Port Development

... oh yeah, like what ?? ...

... and you're asking me, what you changed ??? ...

... really ??? ...

Dry sump, cam, pistons to name a few things he changed.

I changed, cam and pistons.

[Anderson Port Development]

Originally Posted by TimeWarp

Slowbird, yeah, dynos are funny things. They can be off, sometimes more than a little. So lets say......it was REALLY only a 100 hp gain. Still impressive. Still a reason to look for something else in the car that wasn't quite right.

Still a reason to be pretty impressed with a head change. Dynos dont win races. But they also arent completely useless either. They are useful.

And again...seems like you missed the whole point. Are you really dense? No, I don't think so. I think you have an agenda here. So let me make the point REALLY, REALLY CLEAR. Follow me on this one.......

Let's say you're a racer. I think from your picture you are? You make a head change and gain .2-.3 and 3 mph. Even if that was your only gain......its a fairly impressive one.

... BINGO ...

[Anderson Port Development]

Originally Posted by slowbird

Dry sump, cam, pistons to name a few things he changed.

I changed, cam and pistons.

... UM, the pistons he had to change genius, you are aware of what a canted valve head means correct ??? ...

... Dry Sump and cam ??? Really ??? Really ??? what phukin dry sump and cam picks up 150hp Brian ??? ... please enlighten me so i can buy them ??? ...

... really, you changed cam and pistons and picked up 150hp huh ??? ... really ??? ... lmao

... you are the king of asking questions, so don't forget all the other detailed questions i asked you about your heads and even manifold for that matter Brian, you are not dealing with an idiot here, i'll know when you're BS'ing me, so please just answer the questions, as i know you enjoy asking them so much ...

[slowbird]

Originally Posted by Anderson Port Development

... Poe's car now has issues huh ??? ... you do remember it was faster, right ??? it was faster Brian, period, it was faster with what ever issues you contend Poe's car had, those issues were still affecting the CV-1 combo, so it's still apples to apples comparisomn, yes ??? ...

... which resulted in Poe's car going faster ... faster Brian, faster with issues, faster ...

So his car didn't have issues? Where did the 150hp go? His previous combo (hp heads) dynoed at 820hp showed 770hp. So that's 50 difference, new combo dynoed 975 showes 830ish. If there is no issue where is the power?
I agree it .2 and 3mph faster. I guess if that was his goal he achieved it.

[slowbird]

Originally Posted by Anderson Port Development

... UM, the pistons he had to change genius, you are aware of what a canted valve head means correct ??? ...

... Dry Sump and cam ??? Really ??? Really ??? what phukin dry sump and cam picks up 150hp Brian ??? ... please enlighten me so i can buy them ??? ...

... really, you changed cam and pistons and picked up 150hp huh ??? ... really ??? ... lmao

... you are the king of asking questions, so don't forget all the other detailed questions i asked you about your heads and even manifold for that matter Brian, you are not dealing with an idiot here, i'll know when you're BS'ing me, so please just answer the questions, as i know you enjoy asking them so much ...

Yes i changed pistons and cam. Still had HP heads and Victor intake.
Glad to hear your not an idiot.

[TimeWarp]

Originally Posted by slowbird

Sorry to give that impression, maybe its the heads maybe it's something else, i don't know. But i do know i wouldn't be using a car with issues to back up an argument.

Nothing wrong with using a car that has issues to back up a point if the issues are pretty obviously not related to the point you are making. Its pretty obvious to most people that a car making more power but not gaining in ET or mph is not set up correctly in one way or another. Whether it is blowing off the tires, getting squirrely, converter or trans slipping or something else entirely. Sometimes its a combination of things.

Its also obvious to people who race that when you change a combo sometimes it takes time to get the car itself tuned to the new setup. Your example of gaining .5 and 10 mph might happen right off the bat...but it might not.

[Anderson Port Development]

Originally Posted by slowbird

Yes i changed pistons and cam. Still had HP heads and Victor intake.
Glad to hear your not an idiot.

... so you're saying nothing was done to the heads and manifold before and after ??? ...

... great, so how bout you stop talking to me like you think i'm an idiot, as it will save alot of time Brian ...