[Ron H]

Originally Posted by GREATGTO

You know what my advice was to Jim when I first met him?I said you should have made a head for a ford or a chevy, not a pontiac, just because of how ''those people' are.

I'm not sure anyone would be better off taking advice from you. Perhaps he has at some point and this is where things stand because?

[Tom Vaught]

All that being said, at one time I was very interested in the Heads in the topic.

Looked like some "Forward Thinking": Basic Ford Design externally, ability to have a short exhaust port for turbo header fabrication, everyone said that the castings were very nicely done, heads were obviously a "different" head so easy to spot a conversion from a typical RA-IV style head..........

Keefer was messing with the heads, MJM421 bought a set of raw castings, Gach said the designer of the heads could walk on water, other people looked at the heads (Gaby and John M).

So what happened?

Actually not breaking bones, What happened? What made Keefer walk away, Gach walk away, John M and Gaby walk away, etc. I was not a member of the Gach board during that time so honestly asking the question.

Tom Vaught

All I have ever said about the heads was my boss at Ford: Lee Morse, showed me how you could lose power on a head if the head was clocked wrong.

Tom Vaught

[Stan Weiss]

Originally Posted by Tom Vaught

All that being said, at one time I was very interested in the Heads in the topic.

Looked like some "Forward Thinking": Basic Ford Design externally, ability to have a short exhaust port for turbo header fabrication, everyone said that the castings were very nicely done, heads were obviously a "different" head so easy to spot a conversion from a typical RA-IV style head..........

Keefer was messing with the heads, MJM421 bought a set of raw castings, Gach said the designer of the heads could walk on water, other people looked at the heads (Gaby and John M).

So what happened?

Actually not breaking bones, What happened? What made Keefer walk away, Gach walk away, John M and Gaby walk away, etc. I was not a member of the Gach board during that time so honestly asking the question.

Tom Vaught

All I have ever said about the heads was my boss at Ford: Lee Morse, showed me how you could lose power on a head if the head was clocked wrong.

Tom Vaught

Tom,
You are asking about technical reasons why Lou Gach did something?

If you go back and look at posts on PZ from years ago you will not know what went on? He edited and censored threads about the CV discussions. I called him on this and got band from PZ.

I do not know about the others and what happened there.

Stan

[GREATGTO]

Originally Posted by Tom Vaught

All that being said, at one time I was very interested in the Heads in the topic.

Looked like some "Forward Thinking": Basic Ford Design externally, ability to have a short exhaust port for turbo header fabrication, everyone said that the castings were very nicely done, heads were obviously a "different" head so easy to spot a conversion from a typical RA-IV style head..........

Keefer was messing with the heads, MJM421 bought a set of raw castings, Gach said the designer of the heads could walk on water, other people looked at the heads (Gaby and John M).

So what happened?

Actually not breaking bones, What happened? What made Keefer walk away, Gach walk away, John M and Gaby walk away, etc. I was not a member of the Gach board during that time so honestly asking the question.

Tom Vaught

All I have ever said about the heads was my boss at Ford: Lee Morse, showed me how you could lose power on a head if the head was clocked wrong.

Tom Vaught

Clocked wrong huh? Well just so you know Darin Morgan has evaluated Jims cv1 design and understands their purpose and reasoning for their layout , and according to him they have no design flaws for their intended purposes.

So whoever you know that says they are clocked wrong is no where near a Darin Morgan, not even in their wildest dreams. So if Darin says they are a good design thats all I need to know, but I didn't even need him to tell me what I already believed before he ever evaluated the heads.

[Ron H]

Originally Posted by GREATGTO

Clocked wrong huh? Well just so you know Darin Morgan has evaluated Jims cv1 design and understands their purpose and reasoning for their layout , and according to him they have no design flaws for their intended purposes.

So whoever you know that says they are clocked wrong is no where near a Darin Morgan, not even in their wildest dreams. So if Darin says they are a good design thats all I need to know, but I didn't even need him to tell me what I already believed before he ever evaluated the heads.

The key point "no design flaws for their intended purposes". Which was a stock block street head, correct?

[GREATGTO]

Here is an idea for you Tom, call Darin sometime yourself and ask him his professional opinion on the cv1's, then post what he tells you here. Or you can just keep listening to the morons whoever they are that tell you what you currently believe.

[GREATGTO]

Here is a link for you Tom if you dont want to call, hmm no mention of a clocking problem or any other problem.

http://forums.maxperformanceinc.com/...t=DARIN+MORGAN

[Tom Vaught]

The number I always heard was very close to 2900 pounds. No where near 2600 pounds. Like 2880.

Tom Vaught

[GTOGEORGE]

I did say up to 2800 I just wasn't sure but new it was heavy just not as heavy as mine.


GTO George

[Tom Vaught]

Good Memory George, that was a long time ago.

Tom Vaught

ps Make some money at Norwalk!!! You said you had 3 chances?

[David Holmberg]

IIRC Marty said his car was a double tube car and very heavy. 2800/2900 sounds right to me.

[Tom Vaught]

Stan, My Point Is:

1) John Marcella can truly make 1000+ hp with the CV-1 head (if he welds on it and moves stuff around).

2) I am comparing a "as cast" CV-1 head (not reworked by a Professional Porter/Welder to Marcella's design VS the changes that John Marcella said the head would need to be offered in production (as a "fixed" head with updated design changes).

Those needed design changes would be as John Marcella posted: "it would have taken a intake core, ex core and a water jacket core change and a modification to the core under the valve cover."

So what part do you not get?

If you have to change all of the mentioned pieces: "a intake core, ex core and a water jacket core change and a modification to the core under the valve cover" to make power in John Marcella's expert opinion, what are you buying out of the box?

Tom Vaught

[Bnick166]

Originally Posted by Tom Vaught

John Marcella can truly make 1000+ hp with the CV-1 head (if he welds on it and moves stuff around).

He stated the he WON'T hafta move stuff around.

Originally Posted by Tom Vaught

If you have to change all of the mentioned pieces: "a intake core, ex core and a water jacket core change and a modification to the core under the valve cover" to make power in John Marcella's expert opinion, what are you buying out of the box?

A 1000+ hp head (in the right hands and there may be more than one pair of hands that can accomplish said task)

Apparently, Tom only sees what he wants to see.
I have the answer I was looking for. Thank you for your input, John...it was what i wanted to hear.

[Tom Vaught]

John Marcella said: "I believe I can make well over 1000 hp with the CV head with only porting and maybe a little weld, no moving anything."

I keep seeing the Letter "I", I means John Marcella.

This means IF JOHN MARCELLA DOES THE WORK, HE COULD MAKE WELL OVER 1000 HP. You guys seem to be skipping over that IMPORTANT POINT. Where does it say "Joe Bubba" or his porter can make the same horsepower?

You posted: "A 1000+ hp head (in the right hands and there MAY BE more than one pair of hands that can accomplish said task)" MAY BE? You don't really know do you?
You are HOPING that a Bill or a Calvin can give you that magic Port Job. Bill is on version #20+ of his head, where is the big horsepower head? Is Bill or Calvin going to have the head that matches Marcella's projected HP number in 6 months, 2 years, 5 years?

You guys are dreaming again After you get the head, it still has to go down the track. In 5 years, you will still be 5 years behind.

Marcella said HE COULD DO IT, I did not read that Joe Bubba could.

Tom Vaught

Ok Pay some BIG Bucks and Get your buddy Darin Morgan to kick out a set of heads for you and then copy them.

A story I heard down at Wilson's shop:

Jack Roush tried that deal with Intakes for his NASCAR stuff. Was paying Keith Wilson to do them. The story goes, Jack gets a couple of intakes from Wilson, copies them, puts them on the track, and they do not work. His expert porters missed something. So eventually Jack sends the intakes down to Wilson to be "fixed".

When he gets the bill the intakes cost the same as a normal Wilson part but the Intakes work.
So Jack says why are they the same price, as new, when all you had to do was FIX THEM.
Wilson say, your crap is over in the corner, those are my intakes.

You see the difference? Probably you will never get it.

Tom Vaught

[Tom Vaught]

Trivia Question: You save your money and buy a High Dollar Engine from Warren Johnson for the up coming Pro race season. So Warren builds 15 engines and dynos them. Where do you think your engine is in the mix?

Tom Vaught

This question relates to the Head Porter deal above.

Time to answer my trivia question because the butt hurt boys could not figure it out:

The FIRST 5 (HIGHEST HORSEPOWER/TORQUE)ENGINES go to Warren, not even his kid gets the best engines because the kid is racing against the old man. Then the next 5 (HIGHEST HORSEPOWER/TORQUE)ENGINES go to Kurt, because Kurt is still the old man's kid.
So then your engine is going to be in the last 5 engines somewhere.

So how competitive do you think that you are going to be when your stuff is #11, #12, #13, #14, or #15?

Same deal with a John Marcella head porting job on his stuff vs a normal in the door job. You are dreaming if you think John M will give you his highest hp stuff without paying dearly for it. Joe Bubba will not even be on the map vs Gaby or John M's stuff.

So you are just going to BUY your way into the game, doesn't work that way, bub.

Tom Vaught

[GREATGTO]

Marcella is Joe Bubba , as is Gaby and every other porter around here. None of these guys are world famous as far as I know, I doubt anyone at any local track would even know who they are, talk about dreaming Tom. Darin is world famous and his word/opinion actually means something.

[mike leech]

Originally Posted by GREATGTO

Marcella is Joe Bubba , as is Gaby and every other porter around here. None of these guys are world famous as far as I know, I doubt anyone at any local track would even know who they are, talk about dreaming Tom. Darin is world famous and his word/opinion actually means something.

Then why the sad look on your face every time we mention actual results? O butt hurt one.

[GREATGTO]

Originally Posted by mike leech

Then why the sad look on your face every time we mention actual results? O butt hurt one.

I'm perfectly happy, wasn't it your buddy Kinsler that went insane on the phone over his results?

[mike leech]

Originally Posted by GREATGTO

I'm perfectly happy, wasn't it your buddy Kinsler that went insane on the phone over his results?

HIMMM???I thought it was the combination of your lack-o-results and expert opinion? No?

[Jeff Kinsler]

Originally Posted by GREATGTO

I'm perfectly happy, wasn't it your buddy Kinsler that went insane on the phone over his results?

what results flow bench results?

engine avatar picture results?

dyno results?

or east coast air results?